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Originally posted by Airbase Making a 2 min really hifi sample just makes you people concentrate on the mastering and production, the two least important things of music in general.

Well for the most producers, and then I say at least 95 % the mastering and production is THE issue to receive comments on and to pay attention to. But I agree now there is a great distinction between the most tracks posted here and yours, I guess. And that is that your tracks don't need any more attention to the mastering (or do they?), while the most other tracks (e.g. my tracks) do. Could be the case, wouldn't be a surprise.

So there will be a whole different listen than most people here usually do. So if people are listening to your track (which sounds aweful due to the low bitrate but thats just my opinion), people should "read" the buildup and emotion etc., which is actually what it's about in trance.

But then again it takes quite something to make yourself listen to this horrible 32kbps sample! (imo)

Which brings me to the following:

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WHY

would someone post a 32 kbps sample in stead of a 96 kbps which is completely useless for djs/rippers/listeners to steal, while at the same time it attracts more listeners, more comments, more accurate reviews, happier reviewers, avoids these conversations, ... ??

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Please help me out.

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Well, Im not posting to get comments on mastering or equalizing, and i find it hard to believe that thats the first thing that people wants comment on also.

I posted 64 kbps demos earlier, and i've had DJs playing them out on clubs. Thats why.

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Originally posted by Airbase Well, Im not posting to get comments on mastering or equalizing, and i find it hard to believe that thats the first thing that people wants comment on also.

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Originally posted by Airbase Well, Im not posting to get comments on mastering or equalizing, and i find it hard to believe that thats the first thing that people wants comment on also. I posted 64 kbps demos earlier, and i've had DJs playing them out on clubs. Thats why.

Well actually i find it very important that music is clean and well equalized, and thats where the most (and the hardest to achieve) improvement can take place.

I guess those dj's were complete audio barbarians and you shouldn't pay any attention to them. I cannot believe that must have been serious. 64kbps sux as well.

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Originally posted by Airbase I havent read up on the whole thread yet, but let me just say one thing. As I didnt know of the rule, I just assumed that it was more liked by visitors to hear a full track in lofi than a 2 min clip in hifi. If someone asked me if i wanted to see 20 min of a dvd movie instead of the whole movie in telesync, id definately would choose the telesync. Nothing is more pointless than engaging yourself in incomplete stuff.

Trying thinking of this analogy...

When you're at the cinema you see these things called 'Trailers'. They usually show the most exciting, interesting or dramatic parts of the film. And because they are in the same quality as the film they would pay money to see they say "Oooh, I gotta go and see that!".

I'm sure it would work in a similar fashion with music. You make a sample showcasing the best parts of the tune and people will say "Oooh, I gotta go and buy that!".

Everybody wins.

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Originally posted by Fundamental Trying thinking of this analogy... When you're at the cinema you see these things called 'Trailers'. They usually show the most exciting, interesting or dramatic parts of the film. And because they are in the same quality as the film they would pay money to see they say "Oooh, I gotta go and see that!". I'm sure it would work in a similar fashion with music. You make a sample showcasing the best parts of the tune and people will say "Oooh, I gotta go and buy that!". Everybody wins.

yeah but you also said that when you bought that crate of cider for mine joe, and theres still about 8 cans left

good shit, im gonna play this out


sorry that was a lame joke

but i have to agree with people bitchin on the quality. it is breaken the rules and it is just unlistenable. (although i did listen ) ah well, enough has been said before

john

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Originally posted by John good shit, im gonna play this out

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Originally posted by Airbase I havent read up on the whole thread yet, but let me just say one thing. As I didnt know of the rule, I just assumed that it was more liked by visitors to hear a full track in lofi than a 2 min clip in hifi. If someone asked me if i wanted to see 20 min of a dvd movie instead of the whole movie in telesync, id definately would choose the telesync. Nothing is more pointless than engaging yourself in incomplete stuff. With full version tracks in lofi, you get an idea of how the full track sounds. A 2 min clip wont tell you about intro, break, buildup, climax, bridges, verses, chorus or outro. Im very satisfied with my track, so I wouldnt be able to choose 2 min from it to put out as a sample, as i believe its missing the total point of being trance music. There is a reason for trance beeing 7min long or around there than 3 min. Its about trance, building up a sort of emotion. Making a 2 min really hifi sample just makes you people concentrate on the mastering and production, the two least important things of music in general.

oh great !, lets make this forum 32kb full tracks forum, it will make the world so much better, and famous people will post their tunes so i can enjoy the clipping and mudiness..nice idea..

I said piss off to you, i appolgize, obviously this is Luke's fault, the rules got changed without any notification.

But if you looked more on this forum, you would know that there was a debat that got started by Eternalmusic. We all agreed there how bad the forum was suddenly, we got floaded with lowfi samples, made the forum no fun, on top of all, people just posted tracks but never reviewed.

Rulez got enforced, and they were ORIGIANLLY, full track min 96kbs, outro can be cutted, and samples min 2 mins long 160kb min bitrate.

Now this is changed, well fine, i cared about this forum but i don't anymore now, fuck this , i wont defend shit anymore nor review. Il just review the people who i appreciate and that help me and that review me. Like Nik said there are other forums.

On the note, if you are thinking of a label deal, and don't wanne post the track in a decent quality, why post it at all?

Once again, sorry, i never knew the rulez got changed.

Good luck.

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Maybe its just me, but after listening to this in 32kbps I can honestly say I'd buy it. To tell you the truth, maybe some of us do listen to the mastering and eqing and everything, but others of us actually like listening to what we each come up with. This track in particular is a bit humbling. I'd be almost afraid to listen to a higher bitrate version in an "amateur" forum. I can understand my you'd have tracks getting played out, but at the same time, unless you're making a living on what you're producing, free publicity doesn't hurt all that much. Having said all that, thanks for sharing, loved the track.

the music is what matters. this is a good song.

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I dont like it as much as the original Genie to be honest, I'm not much of a fan of the new melody I'm afraid! I might like it more when I hear a good quality version, I know you don't like posting in good quality but it sounds wank mate

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