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| DJ PíO |
| quote: | Originally posted by fr0st
Iggnorances has made its way to this thread... Classical Musician pfft.....sooo what you know how to play a little piano? or maybe 1 instrumentinstrument. A true musician will respect all music for what it is and nothing more. To say 1 musical style is inferior to another ...well all i gotta say is take your head out of your ass and enjoy the world and everything in it. Learn to respect things for what they are.
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Well it is inferior for ME, and I explained why: lyrics-image vs. music. I wouldn't say its not any good, I'm just saying that for my taste I can't stand it. Although real punk from back in the day was great because it was actually innovative and they even invented new ambient sonic landscapes, most rock (including everything from punk to emo to nu metal) today is bull because it's lyrics/image-centered.
And the only reason I posted on this thread and dissed punk was that poopyhead attacked hip hop with no real arguments. I don't wanna see no punk putting down an electronic genre, even if it is happy hardcore :nervous: |
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| fr0st |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ PíO
Well it is inferior for ME, and I explained why: lyrics-image vs. music. I wouldn't say its not any good, I'm just saying that for my taste I can't stand it. Although real punk from back in the day was great because it was actually innovative and they even invented new ambient sonic landscapes, most rock (including everything from punk to emo to nu metal) today is bull because it's lyrics/image-centered.
And the only reason I posted on this thread and dissed punk was that poopyhead attacked hip hop with no real arguments. I don't wanna see no punk putting down an electronic genre, even if it is happy hardcore :nervous: |
fair enough im sorry i attacked you.im not quite in the greatest mood.... anyway I hate to see any genre of music trashed and to say one style is inferior upset me. Music doesnt always have to be harmon have you ever listened to music that was writtin using a technique called atonality(sp?) anyway the way its written is that all the notes must be struck indiviualy.. when i say this i mean Flats Sharps and naturals... along with this you can not play the same note twice within every 12 notes struck.... soo before you can play the note again every other note has to be struck first... This was mainly done in the early 1900's. Its realy crazy to listen too sometimes it even hurts my ears i couldnt imagine going to the symphony to hear it. Also moderm hiphop uses electronic equipment but im sure its roots are in bebop of the 1940/1950's. and yes ill agree hiphop has had a major influence on culture but it is realy not that innovative... all it is rhyming to a beat and shakesspear did this 100s of years ago.. rock has been the most innovative with the birth of the electric guitar. but then again rock is nothing in comparison to chopin(romantic) or mozart(baroque(sp?)... my spelling sucks ... |
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| DJ PíO |
| quote: | Originally posted by fr0st
fair enough im sorry i attacked you.im not quite in the greatest mood.... anyway I hate to see any genre of music trashed and to say one style is inferior upset me. Music doesnt always have to be harmon have you ever listened to music that was writtin using a technique called atonality(sp?) anyway the way its written is that all the notes must be struck indiviualy.. when i say this i mean Flats Sharps and naturals... along with this you can not play the same note twice within every 12 notes struck.... soo before you can play the note again every other note has to be struck first... This was mainly done in the early 1900's. Its realy crazy to listen too sometimes it even hurts my ears i couldnt imagine going to the symphony to hear it. |
yes you're talking about serial music, the 12-tone system invented by Arnold Schoeberg. It was the leading avant garde classical movement of the Twentieth century. then in the 60s there was a movement that was against how unpleasant atonality had gotten, and they started making uplifting melodic music in patterns-this is minimalism (John Adams, Phillip Glass, Steve Reich etc). Many critics and historians say that minimalism is the true roots of EDM today, and it makes a lot of sense.
anyhow, i think this is a bit off topic.
| quote: | | Also moderm hiphop uses electronic equipment but im sure its roots are in bebop of the 1940/1950's. and yes ill agree hiphop has had a major influence on culture but it is realy not that innovative... all it is rhyming to a beat and shakesspear did this 100s of years ago.. |
of course bebop, soul and funk were also influential in the fusions that eventually led to hip hop. But ask Afrika Bombataa or some other hip hop pioneers what their main influences were and they will all say Kraftwerk (they pioneered the electronic breakbeat), just like the Detroit techno pioneers give credit to Kraftwerk for making tech and electronically synthesized sounds danceable for the first time.
you're also not thinking of real hip hop. you're thinking of the commercial cheese, which is essentially pop music. download some q bert, grandmaster flash, mixmaster mike, cut chemist, shadow and you'll see what i'm talking about. also watch the documentary "Scratch". MCs are really secondary when it comes to authentic hip hop.
| quote: | | rock has been the most innovative with the birth of the electric guitar. but then again rock is nothing in comparison to chopin(romantic) or mozart(baroque(sp?)... my spelling sucks ... |
well that's kind of my point. it WAS innovative back then when the electronic guitar was invented over half a century ago and it still was with the great classic bands that took the instrument to another dimension. but who's innovative today, MUSICALLY? I have to admit I'm not very educated about contemporary rock and pop cuz it's not my thing but from what I've heard only a few bands stand out by doing new original stuff.
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| fr0st |
| yeah i havent heard any realy innovative rock..... David Byrne is good i guess... Van morrison - Moondance is one of my favorite tracks of all time check it out if ya havent heard it. Pink Floyd also has done some amazing things. Rush is up there with Pink Floyd yet they came out a few years later. Jimmy Hendrix is a no brainer Elvis Presley is another no brainer. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
i serve mp3s on a punk music irc server, and i noticed that a lot of punkers out there also like trance... a lot of file servers in the channels have a decent collection of both punk and trance... i wonder why this combination of musical tastes is so common... any ideas? i'm a trance/punk fan myself and i have no clue, haha... |
I love punk and emo, and i know alot of people who like trance / punk. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
i'd have to disagree with you here.... try starting a thread with the words HIP HOP, RAP, or JA RULE in the title... the threads will be flooded with ignorance within a matter of minutes...
i'm just so glad none of that has made its way into this thread... TAs are pretty respectful of punk music... |
please don't mention Ja rule, he is to rap as jules is to trance:stongue: |
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| DJ PíO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
please don't mention Ja rule, he is to rap as jules is to trance:stongue: |
exactly :cool: |
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| mr. poopyhead |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ PíO
And the only reason I posted on this thread and dissed punk was that poopyhead attacked hip hop with no real arguments. I don't wanna see no punk putting down an electronic genre, even if it is happy hardcore :nervous: |
i never attacked hip hop... my post only said that IF one were to start a thread about hip hop on this board, that it would get a lot of angry replies...
i hate arguing over stupid crap... so read people's posts properly before you start accusing them of stuff. |
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| DJ PíO |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
i never attacked hip hop... my post only said that IF one were to start a thread about hip hop on this board, that it would get a lot of angry replies...
i hate arguing over stupid crap... so read people's posts properly before you start accusing them of stuff. |
no come on, that's bull. read your posts again. you said that comparing punk to Ja Rule, hip hop and rap will bring 'ignorance' to the discussion. what you were implying is obvious. if that wasn't what you meant then express yourself more clearly the next time. |
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| CortexBomb |
Geeze, I hate to say it, but my first thought was "No surprise there'd be fans of both genres, both are underground scenes that elitist people love to lord over people." Definitely not true in all cases, but both scenes seem to attract a fair number of that element.
That said, I like both genres, though punk is several years distant for me now. I've always been a huge fan of Bad Religion (Original Epitaph era), the Subhumans, and other classic outfits.
Actually saw NOFX on the Warped Tour several years ago as well (though I only went to see Bad Religion and got bonus Rancid and NOFX for my trouble :toocool: ) and they put on a damn fine show.
I wouldn't chalk any correlation up between the two genres though, I think the only reason why you might see some cross-over is that punk (at least punk in the sense that I'm thinking of it) and Trance (also in the sense that I'm thinking of it) are both underground genres. By their nature they feature well informed fans who are used to digging for new material.
I know my transition to Trance/Prog/etc. was really easy because of my history of interest in a variety of underground genres like punk, emo, industrial, classic goth, and so on. Once you're used to digging around for new material, and listening to new things it's not a huge step to find out about something entirely new, and to suddenly find yourself up to your neck in a new scene by researching collaborations, remixes, and so on. This is especially true in an internet era where new tunes are just a click away. |
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| robstar |
| I used to listen to punk as a matter of fact, started to listen to hardcore after that and I listen to trance now. |
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| mr. poopyhead |
| quote: | Originally posted by CortexBomb
Geeze, I hate to say it, but my first thought was "No surprise there'd be fans of both genres, both are underground scenes that elitist people love to lord over people." Definitely not true in all cases, but both scenes seem to attract a fair number of that element.
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yep... i definitely see that in both communities.... as well as the idea of trying to keep the music "elite" and away from the mainstream..
| quote: | Originally posted by CortexBomb
I wouldn't chalk any correlation up between the two genres though, I think the only reason why you might see some cross-over is that punk (at least punk in the sense that I'm thinking of it) and Trance (also in the sense that I'm thinking of it) are both underground genres. By their nature they feature well informed fans who are used to digging for new material.
I know my transition to Trance/Prog/etc. was really easy because of my history of interest in a variety of underground genres like punk, emo, industrial, classic goth, and so on. Once you're used to digging around for new material, and listening to new things it's not a huge step to find out about something entirely new, and to suddenly find yourself up to your neck in a new scene by researching collaborations, remixes, and so on. This is especially true in an internet era where new tunes are just a click away. |
that's probably the best explaination yet, =P. |
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