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| Trance_A_Holik |
| quote: | Originally posted by verminator
uhm?
trance..... underground??...
næh
dont think so |
where you come from... trance is prolly blown-up. but over here, for god sakes, we barely god a local radio station that plays trance regularly named kdl. so hell yea, trance is underground. and i personally dislike punk music except for a few exceptions; offspring. peace.
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| Verona^My |
| quote: | Originally posted by verminator
uhm?
trance..... underground??...
næh
dont think so |
LOL
trance is more underground than punk rock, Blink 182 actually gets airplay, trance doesn't, so I fail to see your logic.
Trance is more underground than most genres. |
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| Cracka-X |
The true punkers listen to Aphex Twin. That's their trance.
I've gone through a lot of ppl's on IRC, they know just as much about music as any kid who only watches MTV.
nothing special except for the select few that have the good . |
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| Verona^My |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ PíO
Innovation lies in emphasizing on electronic soundscapes, any kind of music that its ethos is centered around the lyrics is inferior |
so basically what you're saying is that the lyrics should be simple & meaningless so as not to obstruct from the musical premise.
I actually agree with this, I dont listen to synthpop music for the lyrics par se, but the quality of the vocals, and the neat synthwork (or course, heh, whats synthpop without synthwork). :p
I do however think punk rock is inferior to country music though. I prefer fast uptempo country over punk rock anyday. |
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| Nadi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Verona^My
LOL
trance is more underground than punk rock, Blink 182 actually gets airplay, trance doesn't, so I fail to see your logic.
Trance is more underground than most genres. |
Blink 182 get airplay, but they aren't punk. And the members of the band even say they're not. Props to them for not pretending. |
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| Verona^My |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nadi
Blink 182 get airplay, but they aren't punk. And the members of the band even say they're not. Props to them for not pretending. |
never mind, my error, lots of people I know refer to them as punk, although I never really thought their sound matched the authentic punk feeling. |
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| Verona^My |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ PíO
This is my perspective as a classical musician. Like it or not, hip hop is the most influential genre of our generation and also happens to be electronic dance music. Lyrics don't matter. It's all about the beats and the music. And when I say hip hop I'm talking about Grandmaster Flash, Cut Chemist, Q Bert etc. |
I've heard some classical music in my day, and hip-hop doesn't even touch on the talent the original classical composers had. I mean there's something to be said for slaving years over a symphony, versus some black dude in da hood making a boom, boom, chock beat and throwing some lyrics over it. Hell, I wouldn't compare classical music to any style of music, as it was and quite possibly will always be, the most talented *music* mankind has devised. That doesn't mean I like or listen to classical music regularly, but I recognize talent when I see it.
And yes, Hip-Hop is the most popular genre of our generation, but it's not due to musical brilliance, hell the lyrics in hip-hop are better than those tinker toy Kraftwerk beats they used back in the day. The thing with hip-hop is, it would never have taken off, if it wasn't made by black people, cause the record industry would have seen it for the noise it was. No offense to black people, they did good with blues & rock n roll, but hip-hop is pretty much the death of the musical element in music itself. Well that and minimal trance. :p
If you want proof, well eurodance music was more musical than hip-hop, but it wasn't any where near as popular, because it didn't revolve around black culture and the beltway music industry so to speak. In fact the thing I like the most about eurodance is that it isn't based on culture (which hip-hop is)... I prefer music that stands on it's own without any culture associated with it.
It's a racist thing against dance music made by white people. It's very subtle, but I've been able to notice it. In the end I think American culture idolizes black music no matter how talentless it is. |
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| quddha |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ PíO
no come on, that's bull. read your posts again. you said that comparing punk to Ja Rule, hip hop and rap will bring 'ignorance' to the discussion. what you were implying is obvious. if that wasn't what you meant then express yourself more clearly the next time. |
I understood it fine. Ignorance as in people here are quick to attack hiphop and put it down. He didn't imply that hiphop heads were ignorant.
Try it yourself, start a thread "hiphop rules" and the flames will start rolling in.
And his statements are quite true, this thread has generally remained free from the belittling of other genres, with the exception of you of course. |
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| verminator |
| quote: | Originally posted by Verona^My
LOL
trance is more underground than punk rock, Blink 182 actually gets airplay, trance doesn't, so I fail to see your logic.
Trance is more underground than most genres. |
dude
trance is together with hardhouse, the most commercial electronic music genre |
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| DJ PíO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Verona^My
so basically what you're saying is that the lyrics should be simple & meaningless so as not to obstruct from the musical premise.
I actually agree with this, I dont listen to synthpop music for the lyrics par se, but the quality of the vocals, and the neat synthwork (or course, heh, whats synthpop without synthwork). :p
I do however think punk rock is inferior to country music though. I prefer fast uptempo country over punk rock anyday. |
i'm not saying that the lyrics should be simple & meaningless, i'm saying that they should be secondary to the music and the actual quality of the vocals. of course poetic lyrics can add to the whole artistic aesthetic of the song, but i care about the quality and the flow of the vocals, used as a musical instrument. I can't possibly like punk ever because most of the time the singers can't sing for .
| quote: | | I've heard some classical music in my day, and hip-hop doesn't even touch on the talent the original classical composers had. I mean there's something to be said for slaving years over a symphony, versus some black dude in da hood making a boom, boom, chock beat and throwing some lyrics over it. Hell, I wouldn't compare classical music to any style of music, as it was and quite possibly will always be, the most talented *music* mankind has devised. That doesn't mean I like or listen to classical music regularly, but I recognize talent when I see it. |
well first of all there's no such thing as a classical music genre. Western art music has been evolving for over 500 years and comprises a wide variety of genres. As a matter of fact, classical music is always heavily influenced by the current pop trends and it's interesting to see how composers incorporate these trends and fusion them into their music. Recently I heard a symphony with electronic instruments and the played over 10 minutes of breaks.
Again you're not thinking of real hip hop. Why can't you think of hip hop as performed by the DJs with the best technique ever? Forget the lyrics, forget the hood. Obviously no one in hip hop has achieved the greatness of the great classics, neither in trance or in any 'lesser' art genre. But that's not the point. The point is that you people don't know what hip hop is.
If you live in Rochester I suggest you go to contemporary composers concerts at Eastman, they have a great school with pretty innovative composers there. :) |
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| DJ PíO |
| quote: | Originally posted by verminator
dude
trance is together with hardhouse, the most commercial electronic music genre |
that's different in every country. where i come from it's drum & bass by far. even here in the Netherlands the trance you see on MTV and the radio is rarely real trance, it's usually the fluffy borderline eurodance like scooter. |
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| fr0st |
| quote: | | I've heard some classical music in my day, and hip-hop doesn't even touch on the talent the original classical composers had. I mean there's something to be said for slaving years over a symphony, versus some black dude in da hood making a boom, boom, chock beat and throwing some lyrics over it. Hell, I wouldn't compare classical music to any style of music, as it was and quite possibly will always be, the most talented *music* mankind has devised. That doesn't mean I like or listen to classical music regularly, but I recognize talent when I see it. |
Most symphonies were writtin in the time span of a week during the 1700's most composers were hired weekly to write music for the church or other social events. |
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