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| Pyromancer224 |
| I would excpet that june 6 is prom night....so saturday is a writeoff :crazy: |
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| Superstar |
| Queen's has a general first year program and if you have above a 55% average and pass everything, then you get unconditional acceptance into whatever discipline you want second year. UofT specializes right away, but you can switch into any other discipline (except Eng Sci) unconditionally as long as your first year average is above 80%. If you want to go into Chemical Engineering then might as well choose UofT, but if you're thinking of Mechanical or something even harder (Elec/Comp), then you better make sure you'll have an 80% average first year if you choose UofT. If not, then choose Queen's. Hope that helps. I know people in both programs so ask if you need anything else. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| Bah... Go into electrical... Real men go into electrical... |
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| Slag |
| quote: | Originally posted by partyprincess
Its a decision which will directly influence your entire future. Something you should decide on your own. It all depends on how much you want to limit your choices. |
Well, i dont agree 100% to that. Many times, people end up making a career in a totally different field than what they studied in university. |
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| McKinley |
Water Water Water Loo Loo Loo!
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Waterloo Comp Eng 2007!
Haha, just kidding, Waterloo sucks ass and I wish I never went there. But I know it's the best University for engineering, so I really have no choice. |
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| Slag |
| quote: | Originally posted by McKinley
Water Water Water Loo Loo Loo!
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Water Water Water Loo Loo Loo!
Waterloo Comp Eng 2007!
Haha, just kidding, Waterloo sucks ass and I wish I never went there. But I know it's the best University for engineering, so I really have no choice. |
Hey, did you goto UHS? and are you a llama at quake 2?:D |
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| dEsidEL |
since we're on the topic .. some interesting reading!
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IT jobless elbow out interns
5/29/2003 5:00:00 PM - Canada's colleges and universities struggle to find placements for the next generation of technology workers as dot-com casualties fill the ranks
by Kristy Pryma
The IT industry's economic pinch has hit the post-secondary education level, leaving students scrambling for co-op placements, according to Canadian colleges and universities.
The once routine task of finding IT students spots within large organizations to round out course work has become a
challenge for program organizers, who admit that some students are simply left without the opportunity to gain work placement experience.
Olaf Naese, communications and PR administrator for cooperative education and career services at the University of Waterloo, said that as of Wednesday morning, 459 students were still looking for jobs for the May to August work term. Of this number, 355 of the students are in math and engineering, the two areas with IT students. Of those students, 225 are about to go into their first work term.
"You can see where the problem lies. First of all, it lies with the junior students," he said. "They don't have the experience that employers are looking for, they're always the ones that get nailed as far as not getting a job through the system, and most of them are in IT. Relatively few students in the other areas don't have employment."
According to Naese, students in architecture, accounting, environmental studies and science are all well over 90 per cent employed, but students looking to spend their work terms in IT-related jobs are struggling.
Ian Wallace, student and workplace liaison officer at Humber College in Toronto, has also noticed a strain when he seeks out co-op opportunities for IT students. One part of the probem is the overall IT economic woes: Because companies pay for co-op students to complete projects, some organizations are finding it difficult to justify spending resources in this way, despite tax incentives.
"In a traditional co-op, a student is out at a company for four months, five days a week, and is paid for the placement," he said. According to Wallace, Humber and other institutions have become flexible in the way that their co-op programs are designed, and are willing to construct a placement according to what works for the company.
"We've introduced work placements that are not traditional co-op placements," he said. "Instead of going for four months, we have some where students go for one day a week throughout their final semester, and this amounts to an unpaid placement. For the student this is still of some assistance, but companies don't have to make the financial commitment of paying for four months."
A second stumbling block, Wallace said, directly stems from the massive job cuts at many firms. The job market is filled with talented IT professionals with years of experience under their belts.
Naese agreed with this theory.
"With the dot-com crash a few years back and the large numbers of people laid off, we have to ask the question, where did they all go?" he said. "A lot of them, we believe, are offering their skills as contract employees and are taking short term jobs -- the same sorts of jobs that co-op students would traditionally take. This is competition we've never had before."
Along with this comes the discomfort that some companies might experience in hiring co-op students to fill positions left by more senior employees that have been let go. This is what Kevin Rolston, ACST and CIS co-operative education officer at Langara College in Vancouver, calls the guilt factor.
"I don't want to say 'guilt' in a mean way, but we see companies wanting to rehire people that were laid off if they have the opportunity," he said. "On the other side of the coin, employees are also saying that by bringing in high-end, experienced people, they have to pay bigger bucks and deal with previous training issues. Sometimes they'd rather bring a student up in their own fold in terms of training," he said. "They like to try before they buy, and can do that with students."
Ralston estimates that the job postings are down by one-third to one-half of what they were a few years back.
Despite the current difficulties, Wallace is encouraged that things will pick up.
"We're in a valley right now, but we're at the down part on the way back up. That's the good news side of it," he said. Initiatives from government agencies are also helping.
The province of Ontario, through Communications and Information Technology Ontario (CITO), is doing its part to connect colleges and universities with the business community by supporting an internship program for graduate students. The program enables students to perform collaborative research within an organization as a part of a Masters or doctoral thesis, while receiving funding from both CITO and the company, according to Toronto-based CITO's manager of business development, Martin Croteau.
"Students benefit in terms of experience and the opportunity of working with a problem relevant to the industry today, and are paid for the work -- they get $10,000 from the company and $20,000 from CITO. It's also a quick and dirty way for companies to get access to expertise relatively inexpensively," Croteau said.
Additionally, the government of Canada announced funding Thursday for four projects to help youth acquire meaningful work experience.
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source: http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?...n=61&sid=52469# |
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| Slag |
Aw, im going into the ITM program at Ryerson. That article doesnt sound too good. |
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| Durafei |
| quote: | Originally posted by McKinley
Water Water Water Loo Loo Loo!
Water
Loo
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Loo
Water Water Water Loo Loo Loo!
Waterloo Comp Eng 2007!
Haha, just kidding, Waterloo sucks ass and I wish I never went there. But I know it's the best University for engineering, so I really have no choice. |
There is always a choice :D U of T comp. eng isn't any worse than comp. eng at UW. Even though UW has a lot of bad points, I'm eternally thankful that I study here. Because of UW I got a job that many graduates of other schools can only envy but what's even more important I got connections with many people that will be the leaders of IT industry tomorrow. And the best thing is, 30-40% of students at UW are in a similar situation! |
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| Pyromancer224 |
actually i just found out i got into waterloo today...dear loard
im so confused and dead
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| Michael Russo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pyromancer224
actually i just found out i got into waterloo today...dear loard
im so confused and dead
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Hahahaha... there was another thread about this. Someone said they got into Toronto engineering (at early acceptance time) and was still waiting for Waterloo... for me it was the other way around. I knew I was going to end up having to make a decision between Waterloo and Toronto... didn't realize it would be this hard.
I think I'm going to choose Waterloo over Toronto though. I may go to Toronto on Saturday and check it out.
I definately appreciate Waterloo though... they want our averages to stay above seventy. Anybody that's got in will have to try pretty hard to get it that low ;) |
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| Durafei |
| Interesting.. I remember the days when I was the only TA from UW.. How much have things changed.. Not only is UW getting more and more girls, but more and more TAs as well :D |
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