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(hip hop) Ludacris a national hero?
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| djSlain |
not trance, but music:
I was watching the first episode of Tom Green's new show on MTV and his first guest was Ludacris. They went talking about music and the subject came up about his drop from a pepsi endorsement deal. He blamed it on the "rascist, hypocrite, coward", Mr Bill O'Reilly. Supposedly, Bill had done a segment on the Pepsi deal, which gave Ludacris and a few other rappers some promotion along the Pepsi line. O'Reilly said that Ludacris was "demeaning to just about everybody" and "a danger to people of his music" and "crazy lyrics" (all quoted from Ludacris' view).
and just a note: O'Rielly added that Hip Hop would be dead in 10 years.
What is your opinion on this?
Personally, i enjoy hip hop, respectful hip hop that goes to the roots of partying and dancing created by Run DMC and such. While a lot of songs have nice beats, i feel most rap is about offensive subjects and i try to steer clear of it from my family, especially my 15 year old sister who i've overheard through her loud headphones listening to tracks such as Eminem - Kim (murdering his wife).
Ludacris wants to talk about racy subjects? then he should deal with the backlash from people who have respect for women, clean veins and don't brag about how many times they were shot in the chest or whatever. Pepsi was right to drop him, not only 'cus he sucks at rapping (the 2f2f song is proof), but because i would never want to sponser someone who blends their professional life with the gangster mentality.
i've gone back and forth with my ideas of O'Rielly, but i think he made the right judgement with this issue.
and on tom green, they went outside and catapulted O'Rielly books. o well. |
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| LordTranceaLaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by djSlain
not trance, but music:
I was watching the first episode of Tom Green's new show on MTV and his first guest was Ludacris. They went talking about music and the subject came up about his drop from a pepsi endorsement deal. He blamed it on the "rascist, hypocrite, coward", Mr Bill O'Reilly. Supposedly, Bill had done a segment on the Pepsi deal, which gave Ludacris and a few other rappers some promotion along the Pepsi line. O'Reilly said that Ludacris was "demeaning to just about everybody" and "a danger to people of his music" and "crazy lyrics" (all quoted from Ludacris' view).
and just a note: O'Rielly added that Hip Hop would be dead in 10 years.
What is your opinion on this?
Personally, i enjoy hip hop, respectful hip hop that goes to the roots of partying and dancing created by Run DMC and such. While a lot of songs have nice beats, i feel most rap is about offensive subjects and i try to steer clear of it from my family, especially my 15 year old sister who i've overheard through her loud headphones listening to tracks such as Eminem - Kim (murdering his wife).
Ludacris wants to talk about racy subjects? then he should deal with the backlash from people who have respect for women, clean veins and don't brag about how many times they were shot in the chest or whatever. Pepsi was right to drop him, not only 'cus he sucks at rapping (the 2f2f song is proof), but because i would never want to sponser someone who blends their professional life with the gangster mentality.
i've gone back and forth with my ideas of O'Rielly, but i think he made the right judgement with this issue.
and on tom green, they went outside and catapulted O'Rielly books. o well. |
i think u missed the last time hip hop was discussed in this forum..u might wanaa search 4 it n enighten ur senses hehehe |
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| Nadi |
Bill Oriely is such a tool. Even if he thinks ludacris is a bad spokesperson which is certantly a valid point of view(though not one that I agree with) why the hell isnt he campaging against the osbournes? There certantly no better than ludacris.
Pepsi was wrong to drop him for 2 reasons. 1) they had a contract with him and they should honor it. 2) because while I doubt these comercials have that big an impact on what soda people buy, I imagine ludacris helps there sales more than he hurts em, and at the end of the day there responsibility isn't the kids its there shareholders. |
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| ne1seenmykeys |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nadi
Bill Oriely is such a tool. Even if he thinks ludacris is a bad spokesperson which is certantly a valid point of view(though not one that I agree with) why the hell isnt he campaging against the osbournes? There certantly no better than ludacris.
Pepsi was wrong to drop him for 2 reasons. 1) they had a contract with him and they should honor it. 2) because while I doubt these comercials have that big an impact on what soda people buy, I imagine ludacris helps there sales more than he hurts em, and at the end of the day there responsibility isn't the kids its there shareholders. |
I don't think O'Reilly is a tool at all. I think he is simply a man who speaks his mind and says what he thinks is the truth/right, and doesn't give a what other people think about it. I respect that, to a certain extent. i don't agree with everything he says, but i at least respect him.
Also, you can't say Pepsi was wrong for the reasons you listed. Well i suppose you can, but I disagree with you, and here's why. 1) Have you seen the contract? Maybe pepsi threw a clause in there that says "we can drop your ass any time we want, for whatever reason we feel necessary." Until you actually see the contract, I don't think it's too prudent to just assume they HAVE to honor it.
2) You said because while I doubt these comercials have that big an impact on what soda people buy. Now, are you actually serious? You don't think that it's going to affect what young, black, urban youths go and buy? If they see ludacris drinkin' it, they gotta drink that too. It's all apart of the unoriginality in the rap world. I would say hip-hop, but hip-hop is more than crap. Anyway, I think that it will greatly influence the certain market that Pepsi was going for. Another thing is that yes, Pepsi's responsibility is to the shareholders, but at the same time they have an image that are trying to keep and protect. Part of that has to include not getting someone as god-awful and filthy (lyrically, that is) as Ludacris. |
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| politcs_of_danc |
| ghettoness i cant deal!!!!!!!!!!!!:whip: whats up with those condom hats or dorags on there heads i dont get it, who makes a fool of themeselves walking around with those corny fashion statement....or forget about how they talk....:whip: let me not go there:rolleyes: |
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| goose_wh |
| quote: | Originally posted by djSlain O'Rielly added that Hip Hop would be dead in 10 years.
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Not a chance, Hip Hop & R&B are more popular than ever before (at least in the UK).
was gonna go into a lengthy comment about why, but... i cant be arsed. |
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| sym |
Ok, heres my point of view on Rap and Hip Hop.
Hip Hop has become commercialized beyond recognition of what it used to be when it was underground. Nowadays certainly in my area, Hip Hop is the main genre of music listened to by teenagers.
I am almost certain that a large majority of them have not explored their musical tastes, beyond throwing on MTV and listening to the latest Sisqo joint :haha: .
Americans are being spoonfed their music by media, and as a result it seems difference in musical taste is becoming slimmer and slimmer.
I went through a phase where I liked Hip Hop, but I honestly believe it was just that I was trying to fit in, and it was being fed to me via radio and mtv. But, it just took one song to break me out of this, and i began exploring different forms of Electronica, from the Chemical Brothers to Sasha to Ian Van Dahl to DJ Tiesto :P.
Now I feel I have found the type of music I am most happy with. The type of music that brings a smile to my face.
Do I think Rap will be dead in 10 years? If people wake up and realize what a bunch of crap it is? Yes. If things continue, I only see it becoming more popular =\ |
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| xtr3m |
| quote: | | Pepsi was right to drop him, not only 'cus he sucks at rapping (the 2f2f song is proof), but because i would never want to sponser someone who blends their professional life with the gangster mentality. |
"Life with the gangster mentality" -- this is what American rap is all about. Watch any video: mob, guns, expensive cars, diamonds, whores... And the current "war" between 50 Cent and Ja Rule (not that I know a lot about it) which reminds me of wrestling -- just as fake...
Don't shoot me please.
Peace. :rolleyes: |
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| djSlain |
| quote: | Originally posted by xtr3m
And the current "war" between 50 Cent and Ja Rule (not that I know a lot about it) which reminds me of wrestling -- just as fake...
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just a note:
i've heard stories about this and i must say, u can take the man out of the ghetto, but u can't take the ghetto out of a moron |
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| anomaly_toronto |
| Hip Hop sucks, any true trance addict doesn't listen to it. |
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| torontotrance |
Did he neglect to mention
he is awaiting trial for rape and forced sexual confinement
to which he could get life |
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| ambrus07 |
I don't think hip hop will ever be dead. it's such an intrinsic part of african american culture, and more recently, american suburban youth culture. i DO hope that the for of hip hop we see dominating now, this bling bling cash money slap-your-bitch bull will die out as soon as possible. it is not music as i understand the definition.
there is nothing wrong with hip hop as long as it's not being perverted and linked to all this viloence and drugs and cheap sex.. SO easy to understand, no wonder its popular! Most americans dont realize there is other music to be had than what you hear on the radio. just imagine trying to ween the public onto psychadelic trance or deep house.. it's way too complicated, there is no chorus or vocals, so they shut it out of their little minds and go back to listening to what, as someone so aptly put it, MTV spoonfeeds them.
this is all a part of the decay of modern american society.. goes hand in had with the state of the judicial system and the educational system. and it's only getting worse. |
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