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US Gay Marriage Ban??? wtf (pg. 6)
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eugene
Yesterday Bush had a press conference where he said that gays were "sinners" (although he admitted everyone is a "sinner").
I'm wondering, how can someone be a sinner due to something they were born with?!
Yet another one of those WTFs that illustrate the pathetic backward thinking in my country :rolleyes:
P.S. One of Dick Cheney's daughters is lesbian. Funny how the whole crew keeps her discreetly out of the spotlight :rolleyes: |
duh, we were all born sinners and we must accept the savour J-C into our lives so that we may go to this wonderful place called heaven :p
but torontotrance has a point according to webster's dictionary:
marriage
\Mar"riage\, n. [OE. mariage, F. mariage. See Marry, v. t.] 1. The act of marrying, or the state of being married; legal union of a man and a woman for life, as husband and wife; wedlock; matrimony.
so true, by definition it is for man and woman... that said i think we should inact a new contract of vows between two men or two women and give them the same amount of tax deductables as a hetro couple. |
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| torontotrance |
| quote: | | so true, by definition it is for man and woman... that said i think we should inact a new contract of vows between two men or two women and give them the same amount of tax deductables as a hetro couple. |
Marriage by definition is fine as it is...
if the gov't wishes to give tax breaks to gay couples...then that's a decent decision. But leave marriage alone
p.s - zing is gay |
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| Nadi |
| I didn't read the whole thread, but personally I don't think marriage should be state sponsored. If you get married do it in your place of worship if your the religious type, and if your not get a nice place to hold some sort of ceremony due some symbolic stuff and sign a paper. I don't see any reason for the goverment to be involved in the marriage proccess. |
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nadi
I didn't read the whole thread, but personally I don't think marriage should be state sponsored. If you get married do it in your place of worship if your the religious type, and if your not get a nice place to hold some sort of ceremony due some symbolic stuff and sign a paper. I don't see any reason for the goverment to be involved in the marriage proccess. |
Agreed. |
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| Highmay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nadi
I didn't read the whole thread, but personally I don't think marriage should be state sponsored. If you get married do it in your place of worship if your the religious type, and if your not get a nice place to hold some sort of ceremony due some symbolic stuff and sign a paper. I don't see any reason for the goverment to be involved in the marriage proccess. |
this was ignorant...
taxes, population statistics, govt support and programs...there are whole bunch of reasons why govts need to recognize marriages... |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Highmay
this was ignorant...
taxes, population statistics, govt support and programs...there are whole bunch of reasons why govts need to recognize marriages... |
Personally I think the whole concept of tax breaks for married couples has been rendered obsolete over time. I think that maybe in the 50's, when traditionally women stayed at home to cook while the man was the sole worker, such a tax break would be applicable. However, a spouse today has ceased to become a dependant and now maintains an equal working relationship. Should two married, working gay men be afforded a greater tax break than I? Hell no! Should a working, married hetero couple be afforded a tax break over me? Again no. Typically, if a woman can afford to not work and stay at home, that family is financially sound enough to not need a tax break. What they should do instead is to afford a larger tax break to married couples with children.
Of course then the argument is raised that tax breaks encourage wholesome family values by encouraging marriages, but how many marriages are entered for tax reasons? And then again, how wholesome would said marriage be if it was entered for tax reasons? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Marriage by definition is fine as it is...
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I could have sworn I heard this before on another topic, reading some history books way back when. Wait, if you substitute the word "marriage" with the word "slavery", ahh, that's it - now I remember where it sounded so familiar! It's these closed-minded opinions that continue to oppress the minority, simply because they can't express their different sexual preference. Now I'm not talking about beastiality here when I mean sexual preference, I'm just talking about same-sex. Why the hell does this bother you so much? Why the hell does it bother hard-nosed Christians so much? You know, I consider myself a half-ass Christian somewhat, I've been married for over 3 years now, we attend church from time to time, I'm more than comfortable in my heterosexual skin here, and I've never had one ing problem with gays. So why do you? Because God says it's wrong? God says many things are wrong according to King James. Haven't you seen many 'o Christians picking and choosing that which fits their given agendas?
PAT ROBERTSON, COME ON DOWN!!!!!
You want to know why there's a little Christian bashing going on here? It's simple, many of us simply cannot understand what the hell you are afraid of. How on earth is gay marriage going to affect you and YOUR morals and standards set forth from good ol' King James? That's what I fail to comprehend - the fact that hard-nosed Christians truly believe that Gay Coodies are going to rub off of them and/or their children somehow. Well, being a half-ass Christian that I am, I just haven't had any Gay Coodies rub off on me yet. Maybe it's because I'm pretty comfortable with my sexuality, maybe because, like all people, I wasn't afraid to address that well-known question in my head when I was groing up: "Am I gay?" Or, "Do I like guys?" Welp, I gave it's due thought as a kid/teenager, and it just didn't appeal to me. Whenever I was joking my chicken growing up, hairy asses and schlongs just didn't enter in my head - I was after those damn cheerleaders. But you know something, what the hell would I care if someone else had different thoughts? Are there any studies that link homosexuality to crime? Any studies that link it to pedophilia? None that I can think of. And by the way, the sick s who called themselves "priests" in the Catholic Church were NOT gay, they were sick in the head with pedophilic behaviors. So why the would I care if a guy wants to play with another guys' talywhacker? And one step further, why the would I care if a guy wants to love another guy for the rest of his life, and demonstrate his love through marriage? Or do you think that homosexuals are incapable of love?
I'm well aware of what the Bible says, sir, as I'm sure you are well aware of some of the laws said in Leviticus - should we follow those too? Yes, I know that those laws were set forth in a lawless time after Moses' death, but times have most certainly changed, as has those laws (they used to kill people for some of the most non-serious crimes back then). So what decifers one type of laws changing to others? As times change, we change. Surely God and Jesus knew that. Now I know that the sex mechanism just doesn't fit for gays, and that human nature proscribes man and woman to "do the nasties" for reproductive purposes, which is why most hard-nosed Christians I've known have 500 kids a piece, because that's what God told them to do, even if it's not in their financial needs (hey, don't worry, God will provide). So I know it's the natural thing to do for good little Catholics and Southern Babtists to "be fruitful and multiply", but where does that leave those people who never felt this way? Where does that leave these branded minority individuals who never felt intimate towards the opposite sex, ever? What should they do?
Let me ask you a question: have you ever known a gay person in your life? Have you ever talked with one? I mean a serious one, one that can't remember a time when they weren't gay. I think you'll be a little more enlightened with your conversation with them. You'll find that they are just as human as you or I - they hurt and cry, laugh, and all that other that Shakespeare has described in his "Jew of Malta" story (I guess you could call it the "Gay of Malta" here - though I don't think Shakespeare would approve, but he kinda looked a little gay in his own right. Oh well.). They are only different in one way, and a way that they have no control over. And despite Dr. Laura's complete bull rhetoric about it being a "mental disease", and despite the completely faulty studies on it being completely from environmental factors, they can't switch back. Those God-aweful Christian conversion centers where they attempt to switch gays back to us normal God-fearing heterosexuals have been shown to be a complete failure (which is probably why Dr. Laura stopped endorsing the damn things - smart woman). They just really like their equipment, and do not switch teams, as Seinfeld so elequently stated. That's like asking you to switch to being gay. And aside of doing time in your local prison, from which being gay is NOT a choice but a life-threatening demand, you can't switch to being gay when you know you're not.
So how would gays expressing their love through marriage affect you? Are you not comfortable with your morals and standards enough that you feel a gay married couple walking down the street would somehow ruin your life in any way? And on a broader scale, how would that affect our society as a whole? I just don't see it, sir. All I see is bigotry and/or lack of understanding, plain and simple. So am I branding you as a bigot on this particular issue? I could be, yes, but perhaps you're not open-minded enough or experienced enough to see both sides of the issue, which is what I find the problem with many people opposing gay marriage. Perhaps God in all His wisdom created homosexuality way back when to teach his followers a little bit of tolerance. Accepting diversity is a beautiful thing, and the opposite is just plain ugly. We have enough forms of ethnic, religious, and cultural pursecution going on, no need to throw in sexual pursecution in the mix. I think as a society (and as a Christian white majority), we need to be a little more tolerant of people that are not like us in every way. |
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| torontotrance |
why lump me in with pat robertson
i don't agree with him
yes..i do have gay friends...yes i have had serious discussions with them. I have no problems with them being gay (tho i think being gay is wrong but it's their decision..they are their own people) and I will not support their lifestyle. You can cry all you damn well please about gay marriage not being accepted. Till my dying day....I will not support it and I will be against it.
See it's fed up people like you that bore me. You complain and complain and say I'm not open minded. But you don't see me attacking your view and your religion. I am open minded but religion is what I believe and it is what I follow. The church I am from, has never said..hate gays...never said...gays are evil. It simply has stated what the Bible says and what I choose to live by...that homosexuality is a sin and we will not support it.
I will continue to have gay friends and at no point have I attempted to convert them. You stereotype christians again...common stupidity ...you lump me in with all the christians. Have some christians tried to convert the world....yes....have I ever tried...NO. If someone wants to know more about christianity...I'm more than happy to answer the questions to the best of my ability. I don't force anything on anyone....ppl blame the christians for that. You realize that just a small group (maybe .2% of the total population have done that)....the church I go to...we don't force anything on anyone. Everyone makes their own decision....just like with the gay marriage thing. Take the analogy of food...if you force something down your throat...you normally throw it back up and the vomit leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I view religion like that..let ppl decide on their own time and force nothing.
I can see why people are mad at the us gov't but people continue to attack (the non right wing christians) for simply our beliefs. We don't attack atheists for not believing their is a God...we let you live your own lives....(well most decent christians do...cept the crazy right wing christians...who don't speak for most of us)...so I suggest you allow Christians to have their opinion that homosexuality is wrong and allow us to continue living our lives instead of attacking us for being against an issue. It's a free society and as far as I'm concerned....the religious group I associate with..will not say attack gays...we simply say marriage is sacred....we believe a man and a woman meets the definition of a marriage and we believe that homosexuality is wrong. End of discussion....
and for those people telling me to be open minded
be open minded and respect my beliefs.. |
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| Cyrus King |
What the is this im reading? Why do you (torontotrance) see marriage as defined only from a religious view? This is backward thinking in my opinion.
The definition of marriage will and is being changed. Why cant a man and a man who love each other be recognized by the government? Just becuase they each have a dick doesnt meant they should be denied that choice....This reminds me of the time blacks couldnt vote becuase they were BLACK.. this is discriminatory and i blame religion for all this disgusting ignorance that has raped the minds of millions. I cant beleive a book written in a society thousands of years ago, still has people who adamantly defend its hypocracy.
I am glad canada is taking steps to recognize it...they are human and they are capable of loving each other...and like a man and a woman who love each other, they should be respectful of their emotions as well. |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
I'm with you brother! Damn straight those goddamned fruits will be rapin our children and brainwashing us with them free sex attitudes! Why just the other day I saw one of them fruit cakes drinking from a straight only water fountain! I bashed him up good with my billy club. Like my pappy always said, you start giving in to these uppity neeegroes and then all the fags, child molesters, spics, and jews start moving into the neighborhood and corruptin our way of life! |
Damn nigra fruity jews. What da hell I do wit ma' bed sheets? :toothless
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
i won't get into that...but our country is NOT a theocracy.
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Hmmm. What country are you talking about? It's certainly not the USA....try getting elected president as an atheist. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by Eugene
P.S. One of Dick Cheney's daughters is lesbian. Funny how the whole crew keeps her discreetly out of the spotlight :rolleyes: |
I'd forgeted abuot that dike bich. Bubba Occrider 'n me gotts some bashin' to do.:toothless |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSaenz
Hmmm. What country are you talking about? It's certainly not the USA....try getting elected president as an atheist. ;) |
i think she meant that our country isnt supposed to be a theocracy, and i pray for the day that an atheist is elected president.
oh wait, we are all immoral heathens, and we can experience neither love nor joy. |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
It simply has stated what the Bible says and what I choose to live by...that homosexuality is a sin and we will not support it.
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In the days of slavery people pointed to the fact that there were slave owners in the bible to rationalize and justify brutalizing and raping an entire people. ;) I can't stand people who try to justify bigotry with that book; essentially a compilation of myths that are neither factual, nor have much bearing on modern society.
Gotta give it up to the "J" man though. ;)
*Puts on "Jesus is my homeboy" T-shirt* :gsmile:
| quote: | Originally posted by nic01445
i think she meant that our country isnt supposed to be a theocracy, and i pray for the day that an atheist is elected president.
oh wait, we are all immoral heathens, and we can experience neither love nor joy. |
Boy quit yer godles gibberin' :whip:
Dubya gonna set this ry strate. :toothless |
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