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Propellerheads Reason: what I really dislike
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| Trancevision |
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> >i've been working on the new London elektricity album for over a
> >year, and fell in love with Reason last year. I stopped working on
> >Cubase, + have been writing on reason for the last 12 months - it's
> >great for when I'm on the road too. I cut a load of dubplates of my
> >new tracks, and whilst in the mix last week I realised that all my
> >reason tunes sounded, well, kind of out of focus. so when I got back
> >to the studio I + the other artist on Hospital did some control
> >tests, using 2 minute slices of classical music, some d+b, some pop,
> >and compared how the files sounded in Reason, cubase, Peak +
> >Protools. It really seems that in Reason there is a big sonic
> >compromise - I always wondered how Reason can be so economical with
> >cpu power, and it seems that it's because Reason only uses part of
> >the waveform. Since then I've been talking to other producers in the
> >d+b, breaks + garage community, most of whom won't use reason
> >because of it's sound.
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> >I am gutted, because I love the interface + the genius of the patch
> >system. I have transferred a couple of the tunes I made in Reason to
> >Cubase using the source files(unprocessed by Reason) + reconstructed
> >them exactly. They now sound proper.
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> >Before you rag me out for my disloyalty to Reason, let me say I
> >still think it's a brilliant tool, it's just that it doesnt have the
> >necessary sound quality for making top notch productions.
> >
> >I wish so much that propellerheads would produce a transparent,
> >power hungry pro version.
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> >
> >
> >He has summarised exactly what I feel perfectly.
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found it on a german forum, the link to the original post is:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dnb-pro...k/msg06753.html
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| Bondor |
| it uses part of the wavform during playback, or when saving...? |
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| The Designer |
| Suppose that you would rewire Reason to logic or Cubase. Would that make it sound proper? |
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| xls |
| Probably not, it's still using the Reason engine to generate the sound. IMO Reason is a great quick and portable way to sketch out ideas and maybe create samples (loops etc) but shouldn't be used as a final production tool... |
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| Taz |
| Does the sound problem only apply to the sample-based generators (Dr. Rex, etc.) or to Subtractor & the compressors too? |
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| Cryogenic |
Well. I've done this experiment myself, and got the same result with the Redrum, but its spot on with the NN19 Sampler.
So its seems like its only when importing samples into Redeum.Dunno what this actually does to the overall sound/timing, or if its an issue with square waves. Dont know if this has been addressed by the Propellerheads either. |
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| Trancevision |
After doing massive research because I am a very big fan of Reason I came up to the result that the props have a special cpu saving and quality lowering rendering method.
you can check out more on this topic there:
http://www.reasonstation.net/board/...5248&forum=5&31
1. Props official position seems unclear. I am not sure but they told someday that sound quality is not affected.
2. On the other side there is big amount of people who blame bad skills of bad users why tracks out of Reason are not as punchy and clear.
And you might need a good monitoring system to listen to the changes in sample values and frequency spectrum. But you can see what Reason does to your favourite sample if you take an analyzer tool.
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| Cryogenic |
I have yet to see or hear any evidence of the sound quality issues, just a few people on different boards raving about it.
Why doesnt people post examples ? I'd really like to know the facts here. |
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| MadThijs |
| As said here I also think it's the man behind the program who makes the sound. It could be that the sampleplayers affect the sound a bit but I would put an eq inbetween and tweak till I get a full sound. |
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| Cryogenic |
| Well thats not the issue here. Got nothing to do with this. |
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| tranzMental |
This is an interesting turn of events. I have Reason myself (but haven't found the time to use it) since I am too busy with Fruityloops. My brother payed 200 bucks for it, so It would be nice to get his money's worth. That is so messed up that the 'quality' of sound is compromised!
Although, like many said, it is a great sketch pad. I just hope that Proppellor Head improves these issues. -Mental |
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| Trancevision |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cryogenic
I have yet to see or hear any evidence of the sound quality issues, just a few people on different boards raving about it.
Why doesnt people post examples ? I'd really like to know the facts here. |
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take a sample from favourite CD, put it into any Reason device which can load wav samples and then draw a C3 note or whatever so that the sample is played at the original time and pitch. Be sure that no filter / eq / fx devices are processing your signal. Connect your sampler device directly to the hardware interface ( use cable mode for this ).
Export it. And then analyze it with a spectrum analyzer like in Cool Edit or any other programm: Loss of loudness, loss of frequencies abover 11Khz, often changed drawing of the waveforms ( recogniezable with short normalized sounds ). In comparison with the original sample there is a loss of quality, sometimes audible. :whip:
And also dithering seems worse than Cubase, Logic, Protools, Acid. Mxiing sounds in Reason does not allow totally brilliance of sound.
Reason is an awesome program, inspiring and full of possibilites. I won't stop using it. But like everythig else in the world, it's just not perfect.
That's the conclusion I have come to. Maybe it's just me and some sound freaks .
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