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Why do we stay on turntables? (pg. 5)
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| Stassi |
Trance isn't the only music out there that uses Turntables, Guy.
I would LOVE to see a D&B DJ or a Rap DJ carry his PC with him to every gig :toothless |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
the other day when i went clubbing, i was standing in back of the enterance line someone, i guess he's dj, and he was talking about final scratch. He said that he cue'd his whole set on it and just played it off final scratch. I think that is quite gay. I think the way paul uses his laptop is fine. He doesnt mix the tracks before he even gets into the club. He still uses the audience, and responds to them, and with them. I saw him throw on a few vinyls and cds. It did not really matter to me that paul used final scratch. If you are asking why clubs dont just throw on a tiesto set, and save $20000, thats just gay because a lot of energy, at least for me comes from watching amazing dj's like paul mix, jump around and work the deks, and crowd. I would never want to see a dj pre mix a set. I can do a good enough job on winamp and save $120 at home. |
so you basically get off by watching a DJ change records and Do God Poses?:toothless
| quote: | Originally posted by split13
Well, it's too bad djing became a spectator sport instead of what it was intended to do, MAKE YOU DANCE!!! Not stand around and watch and critique someones technique. You should respect them all for getting where they are (unless they don't respect you, no name dropping). I thought clubbing was all about dancing all night and forgetting about everything but the choons that your fav. dj is spinnin. I don't totally agree with pc to pc mixes but sometimes I have to go from tt to pc, and i don't see anyone thats dancing stop and walk off. All the big name DJ's almost have monopolies on new music, thats why I pay $30 to see them, so I can dance to new stuff. No more to say, just keep on dancing 'till the sun comes up. |
This right here is Exactly how I feel. |
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| dj_moonshine |
| i prefer to use cd's the whole time. i find it hard to mix on turntables or computer. |
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| ATL_Trancer |
wow, scary that this is even coming up!!! i've only just gotten into the trance scene within the last year, and it's unbelievable that talking about computers replacing turntables is even a thought!
Sure, it's possible for the computer to beat match, do any tricks an equalizer can do, etc, but where is the art in that? Keep in mind, this is music, and music is performed by artists. There is a skill and art to DJing, with your own two hands. Even if it can be replaced by a computer, why would we want to?
I certainly hope that our children don't see their favorite djs sitting behind a computer, chatting with people on AIM, eating potato chips, and looking at porn, as the crowd is dancing away. |
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| SuperFarStucker |
It's pretty obvious that computer aided mixing really only makes it easier on the "dj" to some extent and just lowers the bar for entry into the "scene" even further. However, the facts are that PC/Apple based mixing software only seeks to 'emulate' the functionality of a pair of turntables in the hands of a well versed dj. I look at the pc and see it as crippling rather than helpful. You have to deal with a clumsy, 'hands off' interface in order to get things done. Sure, PC based djing can speed certain things up like... cueing, beatmatching, and record crate digging. Considering all this stuff is near trivial aspects of the dj's job their is no need for automation.
It's akin to asking why we still play baseball with wooden bats and crap ass balls even though it's quite obvious that there are materials out there which would allow nearly any idiot with a couple months of practice to blast a ball out of the park? Well one of those reasons is that the game would exceed human limitations by a great margin, and the other happens to be that the difference between a truly dedicated and good player and just a mediocre one tends to get blurred when the equipment enables just about anybody to belt one into space.
If it does't add any new functionality (which, to be honest, computer mixing really doesn't, it just consolidates it all down into one interface) then it has no place. It's the same reason that there isn't any bpm counters sitting next to real djs at the parties :) |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | | so you basically get off by watching a DJ change records and Do God Poses? |
na, but watchin homeless men tryin to steal 40's does...and only gay djs like acosta/oaki think they are god, and do thoes gay ass poses... |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuperFarStucker
If it does't add any new functionality (which, to be honest, computer mixing really doesn't, it just consolidates it all down into one interface) then it has no place. It's the same reason that there isn't any bpm counters sitting next to real djs at the parties :) |
maybe a computer mixing program doesnt add anything to the music in itself, but using a computer to mix music can give you countless ways to add to the music.
so many things you can add its crazy. the computer is pretty much where the music is made in the first place, why not just make it live?
a DJ who knows how to add the right sounds and produce hte music in the right direction at the right time is definatly pushing the envelope. |
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| VaNFeCto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris d(-_-)b
Not to comment on you skills but in general TTs and Cd players are a lot easier and more comfortable to use than some computer program, where you have to do everyhting with your mouse or keyboard. Besides, software crashes, TTs do not. It would be just lame if Djs started to sit behind their computers during their gigs instead of dancing and "interacting" with the crowd, it would be just lame.
Also for those who scratch, it would be impossible to do cool thing with a computer. No offense but personally i do not consider people who "Dj" with computers to be Djs att all.. It just looses the whole idea...
Besides, Turntables ar KEWL! :D :D |
I just see it as cheating, also I prefer the feel of vinyl and the control, on top of that it looks bad at a club, and then secondly it provides a status bar. I mean if everyone decided to take ure approach it would flood the industry and I mean anyone would and could be a dj and wheres the fun in that? I mean when people take the years to master and dedicate themselves to something it should be elitist, I mean only those with enough dedication deserve thas my opinion and Im sticking to it. |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by VaNFeCto
I just see it as cheating, also I prefer the feel of vinyl and the control, on top of that it looks bad at a club, and then secondly it provides a status bar. I mean if everyone decided to take ure approach it would flood the industry and I mean anyone would and could be a dj and wheres the fun in that? I mean when people take the years to master and dedicate themselves to something it should be elitist, I mean only those with enough dedication deserve thas my opinion and Im sticking to it. |
dude the industry already is flooded. it doesn't take a genious to spin on a two turntables :p
if you wanna make it big its really all about business and promotion, producing, and knowing the right people :) |
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| DeleriuM2K |
be like me!
use the latest technology and keep it oldschool!
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Solkanar512
Where the hell did you get this information from? There are plenty of sources of legal mp3s, such as vinyl, cd, and online stores such as iTMS and Hooj.com. Do you have any evidence to back up what you are saying, or is it purely an anecdote? |
do you really think there are many people out there buying the stuff, then passing it to mp3 and mixing on a computer? most of the people who buy vinyls for dj'ing would do it in a turntable :p but this is just about mentality and avaiability (even though there are a couple online stores coming up, i wouldn't say it's easy to buy trance mp3 legally)
and i'd like to confess to this thread that i'm a really really lame mp3j. who never mixed for a real crowd, haha. |
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| swe_Trancer |
OK I'm starting not to mind the use of computer while mixing live, as long as it doesn't get too easy. As long as people are happy and dance I'm glad
And the thing about using comps to make music is cheating...I totaly don't agree. |
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