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First pot overdose ever (pg. 3)
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
no they havnt :rolleyes: |
Oh, and you were there so you know? |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Oh, and you were there so you know? |
I know and whether or not i was there is irrelevant. |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
no they havnt :rolleyes: |
oh yes: they are obviously still alive and well, just pretended to be dead for a laugh. |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ste
oh yes: they are obviously still alive and well, just pretended to be dead for a laugh. |
If ur stupid enough to believe that story then u deserve to be stupid enough to believe it. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
I know and whether or not i was there is irrelevant. |
Well, then you might tell us how you gained that knowledge.
| quote: | | If ur stupid enough to believe that story then u deserve to be stupid enough to believe it. |
So are you saying that it's 100% impossible to overdose and die from cannabis, while it is possible to do that with tobacco, alcohol, water, salt, fat, sugar, vitamins, minerals...? Try to be realistic for once. You can overdose on anything, it's just the question of amount. It's certainly not that easy to overdose on with cannabis, but it is nevertheless possible. And just that you don't think I'm some anti-drug zealot that doesn't live in a real world, I have smoked pot on several occasions, so I do know it's really not a big deal. But that's not the reason why you should automatically disregard any possibility of it doing serious harm in largely excessive amounts. |
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| kirstolas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Misty Kitty
eeek!!!
I smoked 15-25 a day for 4-5 yrs (and a fair few more every weekend)
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Man, you are full of . I've never seen anyone smoke 25 joints in one day, that would mean you smoke 1 joint/hour if you don't sleep at all, and i guess most people do need some sleep so you are saying that you smoke more than 1 joint/hour. It takes you at least half an hour to roll/smoke one so...
don't think so, not even if you smoke the worst quality out there. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by kirstolas
Man, you are full of . I've never seen anyone smoke 25 joints in one day, that would mean you smoke 1 joint/hour if you don't sleep at all, and i guess most people do need some sleep so you are saying that you smoke more than 1 joint/hour. It takes you at least half an hour to roll/smoke one so...
don't think so, not even if you smoke the worst quality out there. |
Maybe she smoked more than one at a time? :p
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
If ur stupid enough to believe that story then u deserve to be stupid enough to believe it. |
:haha:
oh my god, theres definatly only one of us who's stupid here, and it certainly isn't me... :haha:
do you think im some sort of anti-drug protestor? are you a joke? |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
And just that you don't think I'm some anti-drug zealot that doesn't live in a real world, I have smoked pot on several occasions, so I do know it's really not a big deal. |
:haha: i think dj fuq thinks the same of me, i reckon he needs a clue. |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Well, then you might tell us how you gained that knowledge.
So are you saying that it's 100% impossible to overdose and die from cannabis, while it is possible to do that with tobacco, alcohol, water, salt, fat, sugar, vitamins, minerals...? Try to be realistic for once. |
:haha: Stop talking . In the few arguments we have had on this subject, ive proved wrong more or less everything u have said but u havnt even proved wrong 1 thing ive said. Ur opinions on drugs are far from realistic.
| quote: | | You can overdose on anything, it's just the question of amount. It's certainly not that easy to overdose on with cannabis, but it is nevertheless possible. |
No it isnt. The amount u would have to take (something like 30lbs of very potent hash) is far too much to be able to smoke. U would be dead from carbon monoxide poisoning, or more likely fall asleep, long before u could overdose on thc. And u couldnt possibly eat enough to die either.
| quote: | | And just that you don't think I'm some anti-drug zealot that doesn't live in a real world, I have smoked pot on several occasions, so I do know it's really not a big deal. But that's not the reason why you should automatically disregard any possibility of it doing serious harm in largely excessive amounts. |
The story is bollocks. Its obviously just another prohibitionist scare tactic. Every time they come up with a story like this, people like u are saying its true, drugs are evil blah blah blah, then soon enough the story is proven to be false. Every single time.
This particular story is so ing obviously untrue (notice the typical lack of details) that i cant believe ANYONE believes it. Even most of the prohibitionists ive talked to since this started dont believe it.
These are the facts:
1 a man is dead
2 he had a headache the day before he died
3 he was a heavy cannabis user
4 there is no evidence that cannabis killed him
5 cannabis is not toxic anyway
6 cannabis has never killed anyone
7 he had used alcohol before he died
8 alcohol has killed millions of people
9 there are several bs stories like this per year that always get disproven
The chances of this being bs are much higher than the chances of cannabis having killed him, i would say. It would probably be possible to die from smoking cannabis if u were allergic to it, but he had been smoking far too long for that to have been the case. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
:haha: Stop talking . In the few arguments we have had on this subject, ive proved wrong more or less everything u have said but u havnt even proved wrong 1 thing ive said. Ur opinions on drugs are far from realistic. |
Not really, you haven't. You skipped to respond on some things where you were wrong and focused on more minor details of the whole argument. Eventually I gave up arguing with you because it was like talking to a brick wall.
| quote: | | No it isnt. The amount u would have to take (something like 30lbs of very potent hash) is far too much to be able to smoke. U would be dead from carbon monoxide poisoning, or more likely fall asleep, long before u could overdose on thc. And u couldnt possibly eat enough to die either. |
Same with nicotine in tobacco, yet in our previous argument you said nicotine is more dangerous than heroin because 1mg of nicotine is more harmful than 1mg of heroin. So which is it then? You intentionally focus on pieces of the puzzle that seem to defend your arguments instead of looking at the big picture. I'd really hate to start that discussion all over again, but I'll have to ask you how that british doctor killed hundreds of people? Well, he injected them with heroin.
| quote: | | The story is bollocks. Its obviously just another prohibitionist scare tactic. Every time they come up with a story like this, people like u are saying its true, drugs are evil blah blah blah, then soon enough the story is proven to be false. Every single time. |
I would agree with you if the story was published by some anti-drug association, but since it is published by a relatively neutral site, then I don't see the reason why it should immediately be discarded as prohibitionist scam.
| quote: | | This particular story is so ing obviously untrue (notice the typical lack of details) that i cant believe ANYONE believes it. Even most of the prohibitionists ive talked to since this started dont believe it. |
So on one hand this is a prohibitionist scare tactic, while on the other hand they're denying it as impossible? Do they suffer from a split personality disorder?
| quote: | These are the facts:
1 a man is dead
2 he had a headache the day before he died
3 he was a heavy cannabis user |
Correct so far.
| quote: | | 4 there is no evidence that cannabis killed him |
No, but there is a suspicion it might be related since he was a heavy user of the drug.
| quote: | | 5 cannabis is not toxic anyway |
Yes it is. Everything is toxic in high enough amounts. Maybe if you'd use your brain instead of agressively attacking everything I say you would arrive at the same conclusion. You see, the problem with you is that you can't accept the opposing point of view and immediately attack it without thinking about it for a second. That isn't really the behaviour of intelligent and open minded people.
| quote: | | 6 cannabis has never killed anyone |
There's a first time for everything.
| quote: | | 7 he had used alcohol before he died |
It depends on the amount which he used. However, since there was no mention of alcohol poisoning, I would say that the amount of alcohol used was not enough to cause alcohol poisoning. It may have added to the cause of death, but it was most probably not the sole or major cause.
| quote: | | 8 alcohol has killed millions of people |
Directly, no. Even indirect deaths from alcohol (car accidents and similar things) are not likely to reach that number.
| quote: | | 9 there are several bs stories like this per year that always get disproven |
You see, I am not saying this story is true. Even the story itself says that the reason for death may be cannabis poisoning. But unitl it is disproven, it remains a possibility.
| quote: | | The chances of this being bs are much higher than the chances of cannabis having killed him, i would say. It would probably be possible to die from smoking cannabis if u were allergic to it, but he had been smoking far too long for that to have been the case. |
Well, finally you have contacted reality. Nobody said it was certain, but a possibility exists. If you have a young dead person that had no previous record of serious diseases and you know the only unhealthy activity that person did was smoking huge doses of cannabis, you have to take it into consideration as a possible reason for death. As far as allergic reactions go, people aren't always born being allergic, they often gain allergies later in life because of excessive exposure to various substances. |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Not really, you haven't. You skipped to respond on some things where you were wrong and focused on more minor details of the whole argument. Eventually I gave up arguing with you because it was like talking to a brick wall. |
U gave up because u lost. Repeatedly.
| quote: | | Same with nicotine in tobacco, yet in our previous argument you said nicotine is more dangerous than heroin because 1mg of nicotine is more harmful than 1mg of heroin. So which is it then? You intentionally focus on pieces of the puzzle that seem to defend your arguments instead of looking at the big picture. I'd really hate to start that discussion all over again, but I'll have to ask you how that british doctor killed hundreds of people? Well, he injected them with heroin. |
Uv lost me completely here. :conf:
| quote: | | I would agree with you if the story was published by some anti-drug association, but since it is published by a relatively neutral site, then I don't see the reason why it should immediately be discarded as prohibitionist scam. |
It was first published in an english newspaper (the telegraph i think) afaik.
| quote: | | So on one hand this is a prohibitionist scare tactic, while on the other hand they're denying it as impossible? Do they suffer from a split personality disorder? |
Or maybe it wasnt the same people...
| quote: | | No, but there is a suspicion it might be related since he was a heavy user of the drug. |
He was probably a heavy user of a lot of things. Caffeine, bread, milk, toothpaste etc...
| quote: | | Yes it is. Everything is toxic in high enough amounts. Maybe if you'd use your brain instead of agressively attacking everything I say you would arrive at the same conclusion. You see, the problem with you is that you can't accept the opposing point of view and immediately attack it without thinking about it for a second. That isn't really the behaviour of intelligent and open minded people. |
Look whos talking. Ur the exact opposite of open minded. He could not have possibly ingested anywhere near a 'toxic' amount.
| quote: | | There's a first time for everything. |
No there isnt.
| quote: | | It depends on the amount which he used. However, since there was no mention of alcohol poisoning, I would say that the amount of alcohol used was not enough to cause alcohol poisoning. It may have added to the cause of death, but it was most probably not the sole or major cause. |
Ok.... He took a drug that can be fatal if u take something like 2-3 times ur normal amount. He also took a drug that can (maybe) be fatal if u take 40000 times the normal amount. And ur saying the chance of cannabis killing him is bigger than the chance of alcohol killing him?
| quote: | | Directly, no. Even indirect deaths from alcohol (car accidents and similar things) are not likely to reach that number. |
There has been about half a million deaths caused DIRECTLY by alcohol in the us alone since 79.
| quote: | | You see, I am not saying this story is true. Even the story itself says that the reason for death may be cannabis poisoning. But unitl it is disproven, it remains a possibility. |
The odds are about 1 in 100 trillion.
| quote: | | Well, finally you have contacted reality. Nobody said it was certain, but a possibility exists. If you have a young dead person that had no previous record of serious diseases and you know the only unhealthy activity that person did was smoking huge doses of cannabis, you have to take it into consideration as a possible reason for death. As far as allergic reactions go, people aren't always born being allergic, they often gain allergies later in life because of excessive exposure to various substances. |
How do u know that was the only unhealthy thing he did? WHat about his drinking? |
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