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Drugs (trippin' on NRG) (pg. 2)
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| Izzy |
ok i think this is an interetsing thread... its personal views.
here's mine...
i've done weed on occasion (like 4/5 times a year). btw im 20. the first hard drug i did (for me hard is in anything above weed) was shrooms (when i was 18), let me say i went through the exact emotions Thor did... these things are impossible to describe to someone who has never done it. i also tried speed and this year i did E. thing is other than the weed i've only done each ONCE! thats it! once and im not planning on ever doing them agian, ever. dont get me wrong i had a blast with each, an earth shattering event BUT for me it was about experiencing all that life can offer... right now i can't see how someone can go through life withought knowing the full comprehension of what you're brain or body can experience.
i belive in the basic human right that everyone should be allowed to do anything to their own body, as long as it doesnt hurt someone other than thier own self. Drugs can be a bad thing to certain individuals but anyone who is educated and most importantly can say enough is enough with clear thought should do as he please. i've seen how people get sucked into drugs, its not nice to see it, they lose all respect for it. Drugs (hard) are very spiritual and should be weighed very heavly before each use. Why do i want to take this now? what will happen to me? what will i gain? is it really that important? I know its not a healthy thing and things can go wrong, is it still worth it? you have to answer these questions (and more) within yourself in a clear mind with un-baised or un-prejudce opinions.
i dont like that drugs are associated with electronic music (im with trance clubber on this one) but there are reasons for this...many actualy, and theres nothing that can be done about it. ahh wtf i dont have anything to do heres a few reasons. the experience is heightened at raves by the neons everyone has and lasers and lights the club/rave puts up. the cheerful and great vibe that everyone has their. the loud music. and more importantly the music itself. there's a reason why these genres got the names such as, trance, acid and psy. its proven that a constant beat will put you in a state of trance as well as dancing to it, especially reptitive motions (the majority dance like this, thier own style). do you think that its coincidance that when primitive cultures use drugs they have have beating of drums and ritual dances... theses are meant to put you in a state of trance. it has been done since early mankind.
last thing DJ alonzo its cool how you know you should wait... dont ever give that thought up, wait at least till you're 18 and do it only at the best possible time/event (you'll know it inside) and with the absoloute best friends you have.
hope i havent blabbed out too much |
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| TranceGiant |
Okay.
Now im 17.
never taken ANY drug, wouldnt mind using weed though.
others are so far(!) too risky for me.
i dont concider E or Acid as SOFT drugs as come called them before.
IMHO a drug is "hard" from the moment u(!) dont control it anymore. So if u are tripping, its not the old YOU anymore, its a situation which cant be controlled. i use to compare hallucinogens with flying on airplanes. its totally out of YOUR controll and u cant know what will happen to you BEFORE enetering it.
like.getting stuck in a trip forever is very rare, so is having a plane-crash, but still its possible-what then?
theres this risk, and the one having a bad trip. As for getting addicted..i donno..i have smoked several times, drank too..liked it for sure but never had that desire for MORE and more often. i think id be able to controll (the USE) not the trip itself tough.
but maybe im wrong?
shoot if thats it ;) |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spad
Just another point on legalisation of drugs. What's the point? If we want to do them we're perfectly capable of getting hold of them at the moment. Why inflict potentially dangerous substances on the rest of the population? |
Think of the big picture, drug use would move from the hands of criminals to government and doctors. That alone is a huge benefit to all concerned. Less crime, safer drugs, more help for those with addiction problems.
The common thought is that if drugs are legalized that drug usage will increase by huge amounts. This is not the case, and in places that have legal drugs its shown that yes usage does increase somewhat but levels off back down over time.
Potentially dangerous drugs like heroin would only be available by doctors perscription, thus these addicts would have to see a physician and hopefully they can direct them to a clinic or offer them help. Unlike right now the heroin addict goes to a dealer, gets high, steals to pay for their habbit and gets no help.
We have to get that thinking out of our head that legalization is making it worse.. How can overcrowded prisons, high crime rates, and huge cartels be better than legalization. The amount of crime associated with selling illegal drugs is enormous. The government would see big drops in crime, the courts would finally see huge decreases in cases brought before them, and most importantly organized crime would get a huge blow.
There are many who have studied and looked at models for legalization. More and more people are beginning to agree with this, but unfortunately most people who disagree with this idea don't even know much about it.
Keep an open mind, legalization is truly something that will happen, its just a matter of when. |
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| hypronix |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thor
I strongly believe in legalizing of all drugs. I'll tell you why. If all drugs are legal and controlled, we remove so much crime. The hard drugs that are the cause of so much anti-drug commercials would now be controlled by doctors so that people with addictions have more hope of getting help. All drugs would be pure and as safe as possible. The government would make billions, the cartels would crumble and lose much of their power/wealth.. Prisons would have lots of open space since we are now letting out those "horrible" weed growers.. ;) |
It's hardly possible that when drugs will be legalized (as this is th tendency) there will be no more illegal activity. As you say in another reply to this thread, heroin-addicts will have to see a physician. So they will not be able to get as much drugs as they want. And therefor cartels will still be there.
It's true that the crime rate related to drugs will be lower? Well, one still has to buy'em..and it's hard to think that a real addict will have time (or determination) to WORK for those money. So he will steal'em, beat for'em or anythinh like that.
But this is only valid for those hard-addicts. The "ocasional trippers" will be careful (well, that's a probability) and will not start to take more . Or not?
The truth is we cannot determinate the effects of drug legalization until that happens. If the situation goes out of control, the stuff will be again illegal. So ... time will tell! |
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| hypronix |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceCluber
Dont need Drugs...the only drug i need is Trance...... and personaly dont like people who coralate Drugs with the Electronic music..... the people who always have to take drugs in parties are just Poser Wannabees thinking they know the meaning of the music ..its a bunch of BS..... |
well, I hate that the most. if I tell someone I'm a raver they'll look at me strange (the ones outside the style.. no electronica fans)and think I'm surely trippin' all the time. And I know that's the fact (someone told me that straight). It's like the same thing sayin' that rockers are violent. Many R.. but not all of them. Creating an image like this is incredibly stupid (and a proof of stupidity from those believin' it!).Or sayin' all hip-hop fans are gangsters.. it's such a stupid thing! |
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| hypronix |
(3rd post in ten mins.. and in My thread)
well, I think every1 is free to do whatever they think with themselves. It's what we call the "Weapon of Choice" (nothin' to do with the Fatboy Slim trak!:))But what bugs me is that at one party some "friends" might want to get you trippin' In your beer, in the food or somethin', they could slip some . Not knowin' the effect, could get you realy wasted.. totally wasted!:whip: Who the fuk gives them this right? If I want to try'em..cool. But to dare me, or worst: to trick me into , that's the bad thing. I had a friend that got so wasted because somethin' like that he almost raped his girlfriend and tried to beat up two guys at that party.. and he was the one to get smacked! So when this happen, what do you think? It's not a fukin' joke, one could go away! (allergies, reactions to alcohol, medication regulations or different things can kill some1 if mixed with drugs; thing about vodka and medicine..that's an ugly effect!) |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by hypronix
It's hardly possible that when drugs will be legalized (as this is th tendency) there will be no more illegal activity. As you say in another reply to this thread, heroin-addicts will have to see a physician. So they will not be able to get as much drugs as they want. And therefor cartels will still be there.
It's true that the crime rate related to drugs will be lower? Well, one still has to buy'em..and it's hard to think that a real addict will have time (or determination) to WORK for those money. So he will steal'em, beat for'em or anythinh like that.
But this is only valid for those hard-addicts. The "ocasional trippers" will be careful (well, that's a probability) and will not start to take more . Or not?
The truth is we cannot determinate the effects of drug legalization until that happens. If the situation goes out of control, the stuff will be again illegal. So ... time will tell! |
I never said it would remove crime, just decrease it dramaticly. Take the power away from organized crime and you decrease so much street crime related to drug distribution. Heroin addicts in the legalization model would get a daily dose, its done in a sense like they have an disease.. There are drugs used to ween heroin addicts so obviously once it would be legalized these people would have more hope of getting help.
Legalization does not eliminate crime, just reduce it dramaticly.. Its obvious the drug war is ineffective, so why can't people see other alternatives. |
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| hypronix |
| I agree that legalization will reduce the crime related to drug use.. but maybe more will try and take drugs just because they are easy to get. And in the beginnin' the're will be many that will OD because they will not be able tro control themselves.. so at that point it will be a total anarchy. Afterwards things will get better. |
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| Trancendent |
As someone mentioned earlier the best drug is trance and god I can't get enough!!!
I take drugs on a regular basis and I can't say that they'r all good for ya. For one thing I'm about 15 killos under weight. heheh
But there are certain drugs I wouldn't object people taking.
Weed for example and it's ability to enhance the senses.
Have you tried listening to a good trance track while stoned?
The experiance is unforgettable. Regular user know what I'm taking about. As for other drugs though if your gonna critisise em it's ok but at list try em once for your self. XTC for example. One time isn't gonna kill you believe me. Anyway whether your a critic or a user your on this site for one reason only.
THE MUSIC!!! Lets not forget that huh! Party hard pplz. |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by hypronix
I agree that legalization will reduce the crime related to drug use.. but maybe more will try and take drugs just because they are easy to get. And in the beginnin' the're will be many that will OD because they will not be able tro control themselves.. so at that point it will be a total anarchy. Afterwards things will get better. |
Depending on the drug, in the legalization model, drugs won't all be 'easy' to get. Marijuana for example will be treated much like alcohol, while cocaine and heroin would be under much tighter controls.
With legalization comes education, the government could now be honest with young people about risks, myths, etc... Instead of wasting their energy trying to scare people from doing drugs.
Peope who now don't want to do drugs won't all of a sudden change their mind because its legal, and besides its really only drugs like marijuana that would gain most interest. Most other drugs would be harder to get and would also be controlled..
Saying that it will become total Anarchy is just ridiculous, you think just because drugs were legal that everyone would go out and do them? Thats just wrong, its a very common argument by anti-drug activists and if you did some research you'd see that just isn't the case.
There would be a lot less OD's under legalization than the way things are today.. |
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| Spad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thor
Think of the big picture, drug use would move from the hands of criminals to government and doctors. That alone is a huge benefit to all concerned. Less crime, safer drugs, more help for those with addiction problems.
The common thought is that if drugs are legalized that drug usage will increase by huge amounts. This is not the case, and in places that have legal drugs its shown that yes usage does increase somewhat but levels off back down over time.
Potentially dangerous drugs like heroin would only be available by doctors perscription, thus these addicts would have to see a physician and hopefully they can direct them to a clinic or offer them help. Unlike right now the heroin addict goes to a dealer, gets high, steals to pay for their habbit and gets no help.
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Yeah OK, agreed on that point but I was talking more of legalisation for recreational use, than for use in treating addicts. Where medical benifits can be proven I don't see a problem, but you have to think about the disadvantages of doctors having access to these drugs. Parts of Manchester for instance are already off-limits to paramedics because if they go there, gangs attempt to mug them for the drugs they carry, and try to break into the ambulances.
So what's to stop these same people raiding care centres and surgery's or whereever the drugs will be kept? Not to mention that a lot of addicts actually sell the drugs meant to help them. What would they do once they've got the real stuff? (and please don't think I'm disregarding the majority of people who are making an honest effort to beat their habit because I have the utmost respect for them).
As for legalisation in general, as I said before I don't see the point. I'm not against drug use in any way because I believe people should be free to do what they like, but at the same time I see no reason to encourage it. Decriminalisation is one option.
But I agree with you in part. It's a tough one though because there's so much to take into consideration. |
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| KaNoS |
I totally agree that drugs should be legalized...but many problems will come with it.
With almost 10 years of anti-drug campaigns, many people think they are pure poison, many are closed minded, and as soon as theres a congress request or something like that to legalized, there will be hundred of marchs an a mess.
Also, about half addicts, survive by buying drugs, and then resell them, and keeping some of that drugs for them. For example: one person i meet once, told me that he bought 8 E (not much), then he sold 6 at 200 pesos each (thats about 20 bucks), so he made 1200 pesos, when the 8 only costed him 800 pesos. Not only he gained money, but he also got his drugs.
So if it is legalized, all those people would be screwed. And how will they get their money? crime prolly.
Also lets face it, as a society in general (at least here) it is not ready for drugs, its barely ready for alcohol, and it has been around for more tha a century.
The object of drugs, is not getting screwed, to the point of not being able to do anything, it is a way of having a different perception of the world, it should be like the monks that used drugs for hundred years, even the aztecs here in México used them, for a spiritual reason, not a self-destroying reason.
Thats just what is in my mind right now, and no, i havent done drugs....yet. Im 17, im waiting at least till im out of highschool to try them. |
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