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Drugs (trippin' on NRG) (pg. 4)
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| j_spot |
actualy my econ teacher used drugs as an example too. He agreed that drugs are a huge market, and thinks that police are the reason drug use is spiraling.
he says, that if u are to stop policing drug laws, then supply would skyrocket, as opposed to being limited as it is now. The high supply would in turn cause the price to go down. The lower prices would mean that crime rates would hopefully drop, and maybe use will increase. Who cares..they can do it to themselves if they want.(BTW did I mention he is a communist?) When the prices drop, demand will go up, and scarcity will cause the prices to go back up. ...
This cycle will continue, until the drugs reach a low price as compared to today...or @ least thats what he tried to teach us |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by j_spot
actualy my econ teacher used drugs as an example too. He agreed that drugs are a huge market, and thinks that police are the reason drug use is spiraling.
he says, that if u are to stop policing drug laws, then supply would skyrocket, as opposed to being limited as it is now. The high supply would in turn cause the price to go down. The lower prices would mean that crime rates would hopefully drop, and maybe use will increase. Who cares..they can do it to themselves if they want.(BTW did I mention he is a communist?) When the prices drop, demand will go up, and scarcity will cause the prices to go back up. ...
This cycle will continue, until the drugs reach a low price as compared to today...or @ least thats what he tried to teach us |
Thats exactly correct, but mind you thats in a free market model right? And in your prof's example drugs are still illegal, just that the police aren't enforcing the law. In legalization the Government would control legal drug sale/production, thus distribution is determined/controlled by the government. I don't ever see government privatizing drugs, so obviously prices are determined by the government as they see fit...
Legalization does not turn drugs into an open free market item, it would be controlled. |
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| Slylee |
hrmmm drugs....well first off, u4ea is right...the govt. won't make any money if we legalize drugs.
ok well, i take drugs to forget all my problems. hahahah i think i'm probably the first to admit it (in here at least). anyway, i was a major "e" addict my senior year of high school but i don't do it any more cuz it's just ing me up and i don't enjoy it any more. i've tried coke a few times and i don't think it's what it's all choked up to be. i felt nice, but i was basically just real talkative and energetic, and coming off it is just like coming off "e" to me...if u do enough of it all night;) i've tripped twice, both times i was rolling too...i hate acid. it makes me question my life and myself and it makes me think about all those things i keep WAAAAY in the back of my head and try NOT to think about. i have also done my share of prescription drugs like vicodin and xanax...i kinda like those better cuz i'm a naturally tense person and always anxious so they relax me and i don't think about much...i am a very secretive person and i always keep a lot of inside..it's just how i deal with stuff, so when i take xanax or smoke weed, i tend to just relax and not think about ANYTHING, except food! hahahh that's why i like those drugs. but i don't do them that much any more either. oh and i don't do alcohol hardly ever, but i HAVE been drinking my share of Smirnoff Ice lately:) mmmmmm... also, if you know me from irc chat then you know i am, (err...*ahem*) WAS one of the biggest potheads in the universe. i'm trying to not do it as much though cuz i need to start being responsible and go to college this fall and get a...(NOOOOOOOOOO!!!) job!!!!! heheheheeheeh
it alll depends on the person when it comes to taking drugs, in my opinion. you truly have to be mature and have a pretty good head on your shoulders to use drugs...but sadly, that's hardly the case. it took me a while to figure that out. i just know that i am not the type of person that can roll and trip all the time (at least not any more...) because i just have too much going on in my life and i need to get it together and i can't do drugs while trying to do that. that's just me. so now i just ed up on special events like this mekka...or wanna-be mekka coming up. i'll probably get loaded that night. but i'm mature enough to handle that and not get all wrapped up in drugs again after that night.
in conclusion, i will also add the fact that drugs aren't what they used to be in my opinion. ppl are tryin to make a a buck these days and who knows what's in the drugs lately...u just gotta be careful.
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thor
Thats exactly correct, but mind you thats in a free market model right? And in your prof's example drugs are still illegal, just that the police aren't enforcing the law. In legalization the Government would control legal drug sale/production, thus distribution is determined/controlled by the government. I don't ever see government privatizing drugs, so obviously prices are determined by the government as they see fit...
Legalization does not turn drugs into an open free market item, it would be controlled. |
So legalization would allow people to make or grow their own drugs without the repercussions under the [amended] criminal code?
I do not entirely trust the government to be able to legally control legalized drug business. Its ability to supply, distribute, and sell the products will be dependent on: privatized companies and the consumers. To give the government full control is to plant the seeds of corruption if other necessary parties are not included in the process. |
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| hypronix |
I still don't believe that if a legal drug market will exist the will FULLY be controled. Some improvements will show up, but underground will still evolve. If the gov. sets a price, the mafia will get a lower one. And to still get a profit they will make drugs out of everything..could die if U smoke weed.. that's not weed...
And U say drug money will "change hands". how can we be sure that govs, (U.S. 4 ex.)don't already GET greens comin' from that? |
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| Izzy |
| Thor i have to agree with u4ea and hypronix on the issue that if drugs were made legal it would not be under total control of the government but rather under private buisness.... imagine pfizer selling Ecstacy :eyes: :stongue: i imagine the way the government would hold control over the legalized drugs would be through the FDA who would make sure the companies dont cheat and such... |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
it all depends on the person when it comes to taking drugs, in my opinion. you truly have to be mature and have a pretty good head on your shoulders to use drugs...but sadly, that's hardly the case. it took me a while to figure that out.
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i agree and i'm happy that you figured it out. :) i like the new responsible you. plus with your new found respect to drugs the next time you ever do drugs you will enjoy it that much more. :cool: |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar]
So legalization would allow people to make or grow their own drugs without the repercussions under the [amended] criminal code?
I do not entirely trust the government to be able to legally control legalized drug business. Its ability to supply, distribute, and sell the products will be dependent on: privatized companies and the consumers. To give the government full control is to plant the seeds of corruption if other necessary parties are not included in the process. |
Legalization, effects different drugs differently. Its very possible that the government may certify growers for weed, since after legalization the hemp industry would be booming and of course privatized. Drugs that were more potentially dangerous to consumers like X, LSD, Cocaine, Heroin, etc... would be likely produced by the government controlled manufacturors. Private producers of any of those drugs are possible, but since the harder drugs would be supervised by having doctors involved it would be best to be under government control.
Lets use the example of prohabition. Alcohol was controlled by crime, a great deal of the law enforcement and punishment was focused on the illegal drug 'alcohol'... Once alcohol was legalized, the crime around it nearly dissapeared. The rogue distillers all went out of business since they couldn't compete now with the bigger and cheaper distillers who sprung up to supply the now legal drug.
With drugs being legalized you'll see drugs at a fair price, if any moron wanted to buy Xtc from a source other than the legal source to save a few bucks, they would be pretty dumb... Lets say the government sold a pill of X for $20 dollars, and you could get one on the black market for $10.. Wouldn't you pay $10 more to get quality and safety?? I think thats a pretty easy answer :D
We could see a drug version of liquor stores in the future, but with hard drugs like Heroin, you won't ever see those in stores, just with doctor perscriptions and monitoring... |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by hypronix
I still don't believe that if a legal drug market will exist the will FULLY be controled. Some improvements will show up, but underground will still evolve. If the gov. sets a price, the mafia will get a lower one. And to still get a profit they will make drugs out of everything..could die if U smoke weed.. that's not weed...
And U say drug money will "change hands". how can we be sure that govs, (U.S. 4 ex.)don't already GET greens comin' from that? |
Nothing can be fully controlled.. Alcohol and tobacco can be manufactured by individuals.... Look at moonshine :D
Do you see the mafia still involved with alcohol? I think you know that answer, once the legalization occurs, the profit for criminals almost dissapears so the criminals lose interest in the drug trade.. And yes the government gets some money from the drugs wars, just ask the DEA.. BUT, the cost for government to figth the drug war is HUGE. Imagine the money the USA spends on enforcing the drug laws (police, courts, etc...), and housing the criminals, full prisons etc.... The government after legalization doesn't just save all the money and manpower from the drug war, but they also will now make BILLIONS of dollars from the sale of legal drugs.
With all that money they make from legalization, they can take huge sums of that to EDUCATE and promote safe use of drugs... The harder and more dangerous drugs can still be fought against publicly, the anti heroin ADS would still run, etc... But now under legalization the users have so much more help available to them. If you can believe it the governor of New Mexico suggested this for his states heroin problems. |
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| Thor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
hrmmm drugs....well first off, u4ea is right...the govt. won't make any money if we legalize drugs. |
No matter the way it happens the government stands to make huge amounts of money either through taxes on the drugs, or through direct control of the drug production and sale (ie government run drug stores).
Then also don't forget the huge failure that we call the drug war would end, and the money saved from that is many BILLIONS... And for the court systems the big drop in court cases would save the government many billions. We wouldn't have overcrowding problems in prison, thus saving the government problems :)
And the bonus, the police would spend more time on protecting us instead of battling a losing cause against illegal drug crime.
Of course there will be problems with legalization, its not perfect, but its a much better solution than the drug war.
Don't forget also, if say Canada and America legalized drugs, the criminal/cartels would be taking their business elsewhere :)
I just have to thank you all for this interesting conversation, I do enjoy discussing our different viewpoints... :D |
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| TrAnCe CoNtRoL |
| canada became the 1st country to leaglize marijuana for medical use. they did it last week i think. its a start. |
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| Slylee |
| damn dudes, ya'll are getting so technical with this ...u guys smoke the ganja or wut? hheheheh |
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