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At least 186 killed in Madrid bombings. (pg. 11)
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
i missed that point, guess i deserved that insult, hehe
but anyways most of those countries have only recently become part of the islamic world, and although im not saying islamo-facist extremism was the cause of this, it is now a base of operation for such factions. |
North Africa has been Muslim as long as anywhere else I think and SE Asia has been Muslim for a long time. I dont think countries all of a sudden turn one religion or another, they must have been like that for a fair while. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
North Africa has been Muslim as long as anywhere else I think and SE Asia has been Muslim for a long time. I dont think countries all of a sudden turn one religion or another, they must have been like that for a fair while. |
Places like Checneya, Niger, and Kosovo have swifted dramatically to be muslim dominated in the last 20 years. The chief reason for this is the islam-facist attacks on non-muslim to scare them away (see violence works) or force them to convert.
You can look at the Christian populations of these regions for the past 30 years and see their sudden and dramatic decline. I chiefly attribute this to the increasing ferocity and determinism of the islamo-facists to expand their borders to places they weren't as traditionally islamo-facist as they have become. Even Afghanistan is a good example of this, despite being a predominatly muslim country, it was not radically such till the invasion of the Islamo-facist. After their invasion all non-mulsim minorities almost completely disappeared.
I don't know though why you would think the Islamo-facist are content in containing themselves or why their philosophy has no expansionist tendencies, but hey whatever gets it up for you:rolleyes:
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Sorry, who exactly has been justifying these attacks? I dont think you'll find many who do, on this forum or anywhere else for that matter (outside Islamic circles). IIRC, there was only one country in the entire world that did not condemn and speak out against the 11/9 attacks, and that was Iraq...
You seem to think that it is only America who cares about terrorism (and even America/Americans only really started to care after 11/9...where do you think the IRA got all its money and support from?) |
I will once again reiterate my point, the world needs to take a vocal stance against any form of terrorism. Innocent people blown to pieces on their way to work does not provide a solution for anything. By the way Mr. Smiley spare me the lecture on what I seem to think, this is one American who tries to speak from a global perspective because that is how I feel about humanity and justice in our world. What my statement implied is that when will people start having respect for our fellow humans be they American, Iranian, Iraqi, Palestinian, European, etc. Morever if there are people in Islamic circles who justify the bombings in Madrid is it any less atrocious, I think not. |
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| imokruok |
Well, al Qaeda is looking more and more like the real bomber here. Just crossing the wires now.
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | | I don't know though why you would think the Islamo-facist are content in containing themselves or why their philosophy has no expansionist tendencies, but hey whatever gets it up for you |
Cos to not contain themselves and go for world domination like a James Bond baddy is unrealistic and unattainable - you know that, I know that, and more importantly, they know that. They have an aim, like every single terrorist organisation in history. And thats it. The IRA did not want to take over the UK. The Americans did not want to take over the UK. The Jews did not want to take over the UK. They all want/wanted their own land which they believe/believed was rightfully theirs. Al-Qaida is no different.
| quote: | | By the way Mr. Smiley spare me the lecture on what I seem to think, this is one American who tries to speak from a global perspective because that is how I feel about humanity and justice in our world |
When somebody says the world and everybody in it needs to take a vocal stance against terrorism, that suggests to me that that person believes the world is not taking a vocal stance against terrorism. That is simply not true. |
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| imokruok |
| Well, if it makes you feel better, FOX got their report from Reuters. This is breaking news everywhere. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
Well, if it makes you feel better, FOX got their report from Reuters. This is breaking news everywhere. |
yeah this time, but im affraid this is not the first time for you, remember i warned you! :p |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Cos to not contain themselves and go for world domination like a James Bond baddy is unrealistic and unattainable - you know that, I know that, and more importantly, they know that. They have an aim, like every single terrorist organisation in history. And thats it. The IRA did not want to take over the UK. The Americans did not want to take over the UK. The Jews did not want to take over the UK. They all want/wanted their own land which they believe/believed was rightfully theirs. Al-Qaida is no different. |
Then to you, why are they spreading, and when/where will it stop?
I realize and understand they are incapable of taking over the world, and they probably don't want to muslimify the Japanese, but they are still extending their curtain around the middle east, deep into Asia, Europe, and Africa.
Hell, the USA should just back out and let the fun begin. I think they won't stop till they get to a Disney Land. |
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| George Smiley |
I can appreciate that you as an Israeli may believe Islamic fundamentalism is hell bent on expanding its borders as far as they can, after all, your country is on their target list.
Al-Qaida will fight anywhere on Earth, but only to secure land in a particular place on Earth.
And fudamentalism is not confined to Islam is it? Maybe when you ask me why fundamentalist Islam is on the increase, perhaps we should also ask the same question regarding fundamentalist Christianity in America or take a look at the fundamentalist beliefs of the Jewish settlers? Are they any different to fundamentalist Muslims?
I think the land al-Qaida is aiming for is gonna be any country which is predominantly Muslim (after all, al-Qaida membership is not confined to Middle Easterners is it, and members from countries such as Indonesia will want their country included as well) |
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| George Smiley |
I have just found this excellent article that is directly relevent to some of the arguments and viewpoints put forward by some people on this thread who are baying for blood in the wake of the Madrid bombings. It also discussed the 'diplomatic' route as some people called it earlier on in the thread.
The Guardian |
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| Yoepus |
really Georgey, give it a rest.
the whole argument is really silly. I can't believe you dragged me into it. Even if Al Qaeda is expanding a little or a lot, it does not change any policy opinion towards them.
Or are you trying to imply with your denial that Al Qaeda is negotiable?:rolleyes: |
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