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| djdawn |
| quote: | Originally posted by getfoul
Car and driver recorded the 1994 Boss mustang at a 1.9sec 0-60 time. *on street tires*
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THAT is pretty sick! |
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| atlearmeen |
New 6-serie:
and M3 CSL:
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| dj_mdma |
| quote: | Originally posted by djdawn
put that up against a Veilside Skyline ;)
1300 HP a 7800 rpm
420 km/h
(0-100 km/h): 2.4"
with a different model, they ran 0-300 km/h in 13.72s :crazy:
get the video at exvitermini (here) |
ah but dawn, dont forget that Richie's SX is only a 1.8 litre turbo :p and the ND Evo VII is only 2litre turbo
here are the specs for the evo VII
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Demo Cars / Evo VII Spec List.
Engine Mods:
Engine - Mitsubishi 4G63 4 Cylinder 16 Valve
Engine Dyno - 684 Hp & 578Lbft (2.1 Bar)
771Hp & 643LbFt (2.5 Bar)
Interpro Rolling Road - No Hp Reading, 608LbFt (2.1 Bar) (Could not stop all four wheels spinning after 5000 Rpm)
G-Force Rolling Road - 715Hp & 602LbFt (2.1Bar)
Target Weight 1200-1250Kg
0-60Mph - 2.79 So Far (Road Tyres)
0-100Mph - 5.99 So Far (Road Tyres)
1/4 Mile Target - Sub 10.5 Secs
Top Speed Target - 215 Mph
on the SXOC, we've been talking to Norris about getting Veilside carbon bodywork for his Evo VII. They do carbon fenders, valances, rear arches, roofs, floorpans, bootlids, doors and such. Reverie do a carbon fibre seat that weighs only 2.5 kg including the sub frame. Norris could get his car under 1100kg...with theoretical figures or around 700hp per tonne...not bad for a 2 litre turbo 4 door saloon car :)
and i have no disrespect for american cars, but the boss mustand and camaro ZL-1 which ARE obviously as fast as off a shovel wouldnt be able to take corners AS well as a lot of other cars mentioned in this thread. even the cars i mentioned, if boost hit whilst on a corner, it would all be over...
1.9 secs is ing mental tho
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| getfoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_mdma
and i have no disrespect for american cars, but the boss mustand and camaro ZL-1 which ARE obviously as fast as off a shovel wouldnt be able to take corners AS well as a lot of other cars mentioned in this thread. even the cars i mentioned, if boost hit whilst on a corner, it would all be over...
1.9 secs is ing mental tho
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Another thing about those 2 cars is that when C&D did their comparo, it wasnt just straightline they did roadcourse as well. So they are set up to handle. And remember, a boosted car with 700 HP would be faster then a NA car with 700 HP, you are forgetting that the NA car has all its power when it wants it, it doesnt have to wait for the turbo to spoo, an NA will always be faster then turbo or super of equal specs. SCCA racing is what you want to look at to compare street legal cars.
But then again, its not all about speed and handling its about interior too...
^^^Boss Mustang |
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| Tranceporter99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by getfoul
Another thing about those 2 cars is that when C&D did their comparo, it wasnt just straightline they did roadcourse as well. So they are set up to handle. And remember, a boosted car with 700 HP would be faster then a NA car with 700 HP, you are forgetting that the NA car has all its power when it wants it, it doesnt have to wait for the turbo to spoo, an NA will always be faster then turbo or super of equal specs. SCCA racing is what you want to look at to compare street legal cars.
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yeah but your forgetting that your 'N/A' cars have like 10 liter v-10s straight race cars. no wonder there that fast. Domestic cars[american cars] suck in comparison to the style, prestige, performance of a european car. The europeans began the performance cars and began auto racing. |
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| getfoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceporter99
yeah but your forgetting that your 'N/A' cars have like 10 liter v-10s straight race cars. no wonder there that fast. Domestic cars[american cars] suck in comparison to the style, prestige, performance of a european car. The europeans began the performance cars and began auto racing. |
The viper has an 8.0 liter V-10 whats wrong with that? an engine that can comfortably put out over 1000 HP. I see mustangs that are street legal that are putting out 1700 HP from a 351 Cleveland. *V8* |
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| Tranceporter99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by getfoul
The viper has an 8.0 liter V-10 whats wrong with that? an engine that can comfortably put out over 1000 HP. I see mustangs that are street legal that are putting out 1700 HP from a 351 Cleveland. *V8* |
wow 1700hp that spins through 5th, 6th gear. that would rock :rolleyes: |
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| sharpeye00 |
here is what i would like
yet, here is what i drive
class all the way! |
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| Tranceporter99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sharpeye00
yet, here is what i drive
class all the way! |
mark II golf, im loving it. |
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| getfoul |
what model of saleen is that?
i dunno, it hooks pretty well, it pulls an 8.6 in the quarter on street radials. |
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| sharpeye00 |
| quote: | Originally posted by getfoul
what model of saleen is that?
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Mustang S351 |
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| dj_mdma |
yes we all know that bigger engines can easily put out more hp and torque. like trancesporter said, if you can put it down onto the road, then its not fantastic.
Yes the age old argument between american and/euro jap cars always comes back here. there's no replacemnt for displacement etc etc. And then of course most people would say that the RB26DETT and the 2JZ GTE can also "comfortably" get 1000 bhp out of them, albeit with a lot of tuning. We must remember that the smaller engines can hold their own against the bigger engines. They are under 2 or maybe 3 times the strain of the V8-V10's. That is a remarkable achievment. And its usable power to...well most of the time :toothless
A good example of tuned jap VS american cars is this video on racingflix.com, i cant remember the name of the video off the top of my head but its a street race on the freeway between two supra's and teh Lingenfelter twin turbo viper. This is the viper with gold/pink/purple flip paint, and its quite famous in modded car circles. i do believe its pushing out well over 800bhp and around the same amount in torque. well the supra's beat it. The one that is filming pulls away with no probs, and the second one started from behind to pull ahead of all of them. the 2nd one is Bryce's supra, which is pushing 873bhp and 796 lbs/ft torque. Make of that what you may.
There is also a drag race vid on there which is between a supercharged viper and T88 turbo'd supra. off the line, the viper pulls ahead straight away and is winning by a large amount, however, as boost builds up and kicks in, the supra takes the viper by surprise and pulls on him, about 50-75 metres before the line, and wins. So we all know that NA/supercharged cars have the power on tap and its immediately accesible, and that means that they will be quicker off the line. but don't just discredit the turbo cars, as when their boost kicks in, the power is all there.
And road legal cars...well it takes a lot here in the UK to make a car non legal. I don't know the what requirements the US has to make a car road legal, but the only stringent thing a car needs is to past its emissions test. And of course at the time of testing, we always put the cat back in ;). The Exvitermini skyline R33 GTR is not street legal because of its fuelling system and emission system. If it had a cat back in, and could idle properly, it would be a very good match for a lot of the drag orientated US cars mentioned by getfoul. And although it is mainly developed for straight line power, it can handle very well too.
Back to the Boss Mustang. To get 0-60 in 1.9 secs on street tyres is an incredible achievement. What sort of traction control was present, or were the wheels spinning all the way down the line? If the wheels were spinning all the way, and you say it was tested on a proper track, then the handling is going to be close to nothing. Even the nissan 200sx S13 will kick its back end out at 4k revs when boosts hits...and it only has 170bhp as standard. |
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