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The Scientists Bluff Exposed (pg. 5)
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
A: when i started reading i wanted to comment on the stupidity of each argument here,, but then i realised there's just too goddamn much of it!
B: WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!! ROFLMFAO!!!!
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
where can i sign up to become a true devote of the mighty krishna?
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"How you can understand the subtle laws of God? You have dull brain, with cow dung. (laughs) You cannot understand.":haha: |
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| UWM |
| Wow some of you have way too much time on your hands. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
That's not too difficult to understand is it. Are you a meat eater? Meat eating makes the brain very very dull to understand finer spiritual subject matter.
"How you can understand the subtle laws of God? You have dull brain, with cow dung. (laughs) You cannot understand."
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This is perhaps the silliest ad hominem I've ever seen. I'm saving this one.
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"If life originated from chemicals, and if your science is so advanced, then why can't you create life bio chemically in your laboratories?"
LIFE IS COMING FROM LIFE that can be proved. But were is the proof Live comes from chemicals?
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Pick up a science book please.
http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruis...ogy/miller.html |
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
diginut/renegade/occrider/arbiter/mr.opus:
dont you think this is futile?
your just wasting your energy on a brainwashed 3y/o... |
There is a Bengali story. A deaf man used to call his wife. She would reply, "I'm coming!" But, he couldn't hear her. He would think, "The women's deaf." Actually he was deaf but he accused her of being deaf. Similarly these people are brainwashed and they are accusing us of being brainwashed.
[Srila Prabhupada]
The following is the father of a devotee speaking about brainwashing:
Do I think that my son is brainwashed? I can best answer this by answering the question, is our whole society not being brainwashed daily by the advertisement media? Liquor, smoking, pornographic movies and literature and which is worse? And what about the children who are being educated by the violence and killing on T.V.? I prefer that my son is devoting his life to the love of God and the service of humanity, a rare endeavor in this age. Since I know that my son has voluntarily chosen the Hare Krsna Movement to exercise these rights and that he can leave it whenever he wishes I cannot see how the term 'brainwashing' can be applicable to this movement. I sincerely believe from my contacts with many devotees that they are happy and have found fulfillment by loving and serving Lord Krsna, God. This may not be my wish for my life but my son has chosen it for his, and I whole heartedly respect it." |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
diginut/renegade/occrider/arbiter/mr.opus:
dont you think this is futile?
your just wasting your energy on a brainwashed 3y/o... |
Tis mildly entertaining. |
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by moncster
It's like me saying your computer was created by my magical imaginary friend. Prove me wrong. |
BUT IT WAS CREATED YOU FOOL, THAT'S THE POINT!
THE COMPUTER DIDN'T HAPPEN BY CHANCE, DID IT????
MAGICAL FRIEND..... BECOME QUALIFIED THEN YOU CAN SEE GOD!
Karandhara: No, they say, "If God is absolute, then he has to be obvious to everyone." Just like the sun comes up. The sun is obvious to everyone whether they believe in it or not.
Prabhupada: Yes, but who is in the room, closing the room, how he can see?
Prajapati: If they're asleep.
Prabhupada: If somebody's sleeping just like owl, he cannot see the sun. The sun is a fact, but the owl cannot see.
Karandhara: The owl can see if it looks at it.
Prabhupada: Yes, but... Therefore if you look, then you'll see.
Karandhara: Well, they think they are looking.
Prabhupada: No, they are not looking, not in the process.
Morning Walk
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December 8, 1973, Los Angeles
What qualification you have acquired, that you can see God?
So people, they sometimes say, "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" These questions sometimes we meet. So the answer is here. Yes, you can see God. Everyone can see God. I am also seeing God. But there must be the qualification. Just like God is there... Suppose a motorcar is there, something is wrong there. Everyone is seeing. But one engineer or mechanic, he sees differently. Therefore we have to go there. "What is the wrong in this car? It is not running." He immediately touches some machine part; it runs. So these rascals, they do not know that "How I can see God if I have not the qualification?" The machine has gone wrong, I am seeing the machine. And the engineer, the mechanic, he is also seeing the machine. But his seeing and my seeing is different. He's qualified to see. Therefore when the machine has gone wrong, immediately he touches some part, it runs. So if for a machine we require so much qualification, and we want to see God without any qualification? Just see the fun. Without any qualification. Rascal, they are so rascal, so fool, that they want to see God with their nuisance qualification.
Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita: naham prakasah sarvasya yoga-maya-samavrtah: "I am not exposed to everyone. Yogamaya, yogamaya is covering." So how you can see God? But this rascaldom is going on, that "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" God has become just like a plaything. "Here is God. He is incarnation of God." Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah. They are sinful, rascals, fools, lowest of the mankind. They inquire like that: "Can you show me God?" What qualification you have acquired, that you can see God? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
One who does not know what is God, one who does not know how to surrender to Him, he's not religious. Any religion without the conception of God, without knowledge of God, without knowing the surrendering process, that is called, described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as "cheating religion."
That's not too difficult to understand is it. Are you a meat eater? Meat eating makes the brain very very dull to understand finer spiritual subject matter.
"How you can understand the subtle laws of God? You have dull brain, with cow dung. (laughs) You cannot understand."
Still this quote is easy to understand, is it not?:cool:
Also consider:
One cannot challenge the authority of the Supreme and know Him also at the same time. He reserves the right of not being exposed to such a challenging spirit of an insignificant spark of the whole, a spark subjected to the control of illusory energy.
[Srila Prabhupada from Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.21]
Note: so don't be PUFFED UP, you are insignificant. Humility is the first step to real knowledge. Why you are so proud? You are limited in so many ways. You cannot see even your own hand without light. You are so dependent, but falsely thinking you are the lord of all you survey. Get real JOE. YOU HAVE A TINY LITTLE BRAIN AND IMPERFECT SENSES and you are so PROUD!
Neither you nor your guru's [the big frogs] can answer this question:
"If life originated from chemicals, and if your science is so advanced, then why can't you create life bio chemically in your laboratories?"
LIFE IS COMING FROM LIFE that can be proved. But were is the proof Live comes from chemicals?
You cannot explain what is the difference between a dead man and a living man. You have got so many big, big scientists, philosophers. You do not know. So where is your brain?
The scientists do not know what is life, they are "making experiments", they are "advancing" they will prove it "in the future" BUT RIGHT NOW THEY DO NOT KNOW, so if they don't know, they are cheating if they pose as teachers. A TEACHER MEANS ONE WHO KNOWS:
Prabhupada: That means that... Then don't talk that you are scientists. You are student. You are trying to learn. You're student. You cannot say that you are scientists.
Hrdayananda: So regardless of our position, they are not qualified.
Prabhupada: Ah?
Hrdayananda: Yes.
Prabhupada: Their system is to remain a student and pose as teacher, their system. They're trying to learn it, and still they're posing as teacher. Teacher means one who knows. He does not know; still he poses in the post of a teacher.
So knowledge means without any mistake. Anything without any mistake, that is perpetually right. And anything based on mistaken idea, that will change. You have to correct the mistake. The so-called modern scientists, they are simply correcting their mistake. Therefore they have no real knowledge. Nobody can have real knowledge, because we are imperfect. Our senses are imperfect. That is our defect in the conditioned life. We have got four defects: we commit mistake, we become illusioned, our senses are imperfect, and we cheat. Because our knowledge is imperfect, still, we take the position of teacher; therefore we are cheater--not teacher, but cheater. So the teacher society nowadays is the cheater society. And this modern world is a society of the cheater and the cheated. That's all. Somebody is cheating and somebody is being cheated. This is going on.
So how can we not be cheated? That is mahatmabhih. You have to follow the previous great acaryas, mahatmabhih. Just like Krsna is accepted. Krsna said He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
[Srila Prabhupada from a Srimad-Bhagavatam Lecture, 1.15.44, Los Angeles, December 22, 1973] |
Excuse me, dimwit, but what did I just asked of you prior to this post?
I said stop posting your dali llama/grand wizard bull ramblings and post some actual, sound, observed, evidence to support your beliefs.
Please do so at this time.
While you're at it, please answer the questions I posed to you in my previous posts. No more cut n paste jobs. I want to hear what YOU have to say to support your pasted assertions.
So please show better form in this debate and respond to those specific questions. I refuse to dissect any more of your cut n paste ramblings until you go back and answer the questions I and others posted to you. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
There is a Bengali story. A deaf man used to call his wife. She would reply, "I'm coming!" But, he couldn't hear her. He would think, "The women's deaf." Actually he was deaf but he accused her of being deaf. Similarly these people are brainwashed and they are accusing us of being brainwashed.
[Srila Prabhupada]
The following is the father of a devotee speaking about brainwashing:
Do I think that my son is brainwashed? I can best answer this by answering the question, is our whole society not being brainwashed daily by the advertisement media? Liquor, smoking, pornographic movies and literature and which is worse? And what about the children who are being educated by the violence and killing on T.V.? I prefer that my son is devoting his life to the love of God and the service of humanity, a rare endeavor in this age. Since I know that my son has voluntarily chosen the Hare Krsna Movement to exercise these rights and that he can leave it whenever he wishes I cannot see how the term 'brainwashing' can be applicable to this movement. I sincerely believe from my contacts with many devotees that they are happy and have found fulfillment by loving and serving Lord Krsna, God. This may not be my wish for my life but my son has chosen it for his, and I whole heartedly respect it." |
Cute. You cannot respond to anybody's arguments directly so you simply bob and weave your way around everybody's opposing arguments to arrive at the conclusion that everybody but yourself is brainwashed through an anecdotal story. Ok well address each scientific argument that arbiter or opus raises to prove that their claims are false brainwashing. And please, if their brains are so full of dung it should be easy to prove that their arguments are false as opposed to resorting to silly straw man's. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
BUT IT WAS CREATED YOU FOOL, THAT'S THE POINT!
THE COMPUTER DIDN'T HAPPEN BY CHANCE, DID IT????
MAGICAL FRIEND..... BECOME QUALIFIED THEN YOU CAN SEE GOD!
Karandhara: No, they say, "If God is absolute, then he has to be obvious to everyone." Just like the sun comes up. The sun is obvious to everyone whether they believe in it or not.
Prabhupada: Yes, but who is in the room, closing the room, how he can see?
Prajapati: If they're asleep.
Prabhupada: If somebody's sleeping just like owl, he cannot see the sun. The sun is a fact, but the owl cannot see.
Karandhara: The owl can see if it looks at it.
Prabhupada: Yes, but... Therefore if you look, then you'll see.
Karandhara: Well, they think they are looking.
Prabhupada: No, they are not looking, not in the process.
Morning Walk
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December 8, 1973, Los Angeles
What qualification you have acquired, that you can see God?
So people, they sometimes say, "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" These questions sometimes we meet. So the answer is here. Yes, you can see God. Everyone can see God. I am also seeing God. But there must be the qualification. Just like God is there... Suppose a motorcar is there, something is wrong there. Everyone is seeing. But one engineer or mechanic, he sees differently. Therefore we have to go there. "What is the wrong in this car? It is not running." He immediately touches some machine part; it runs. So these rascals, they do not know that "How I can see God if I have not the qualification?" The machine has gone wrong, I am seeing the machine. And the engineer, the mechanic, he is also seeing the machine. But his seeing and my seeing is different. He's qualified to see. Therefore when the machine has gone wrong, immediately he touches some part, it runs. So if for a machine we require so much qualification, and we want to see God without any qualification? Just see the fun. Without any qualification. Rascal, they are so rascal, so fool, that they want to see God with their nuisance qualification.
Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita: naham prakasah sarvasya yoga-maya-samavrtah: "I am not exposed to everyone. Yogamaya, yogamaya is covering." So how you can see God? But this rascaldom is going on, that "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" God has become just like a plaything. "Here is God. He is incarnation of God." Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah. They are sinful, rascals, fools, lowest of the mankind. They inquire like that: "Can you show me God?" What qualification you have acquired, that you can see God? |
Calling him a fool certainly won't win over anyone toward your dimwit illogical ramblings. Please answer the questions we posed to you earlier. Posting more cut -n- pastes without answering previous posts only demonstrates your complete utter ignorance and/or stupidity.
So stop being a f$cking 'tard and answer the questions, if you will. |
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Calling him a fool certainly won't win over anyone toward your dimwit illogical ramblings. Please answer the questions we posed to you earlier. Posting more cut -n- pastes without answering previous posts only demonstrates your complete utter ignorance and/or stupidity.
So stop being a f$cking 'tard and answer the questions, if you will. |
Theses are my words charlie boy:
BUT IT WAS CREATED YOU FOOL, THAT'S THE POINT!
THE COMPUTER DIDN'T HAPPEN BY CHANCE, DID IT????
MAGICAL FRIEND..... BECOME QUALIFIED THEN YOU CAN SEE GOD! |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
Theses are my words charlie boy:
BUT IT WAS CREATED YOU FOOL, THAT'S THE POINT!
THE COMPUTER DIDN'T HAPPEN BY CHANCE, DID IT????
MAGICAL FRIEND..... BECOME QUALIFIED THEN YOU CAN SEE GOD! |
I repeat:
Calling him a fool certainly won't win over anyone toward your dimwit illogical ramblings.
I don't give a rat's ass if YOU said it or your dali llama said it. It certainly won't win anyone over calling him a "fool".
And to repeat the rest of my statement:
Please answer the questions we posed to you earlier. Posting more cut -n- pastes without answering previous posts only demonstrates your complete utter ignorance and/or stupidity.
So stop being a f$cking 'tard and answer the questions, if you will.
Charlie Boy? WTF is that?
And by the way, you completely missed his reference. Please try to reread and interpret what he is getting at. |
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Cute. You cannot respond to anybody's arguments directly so you simply bob and weave your way around everybody's opposing arguments to arrive at the conclusion that everybody but yourself is brainwashed through an anecdotal story. Ok well address each scientific argument that arbiter or opus raises to prove that their claims are false brainwashing. And please, if their brains are so full of dung it should be easy to prove that their arguments are false as opposed to resorting to silly straw man's. |
But because your brains are full of stool you cannot even understand the ABC of spiritual life:
We've experienced in our practical lifetime that we were very tiny, youth, we had a small body, child's body: kaumaram yauvanam. Then youthful body, then we're having old man, old woman's body, like this. So practically speaking, this body is constantly changing. Although Krsna gives this example because He is trying to explain a very fine point of understanding, namely transmigration of the soul: that in reality the body that we have is changing at every moment, at every instant. But we can not see that because our consciousness is not so sharp to pick up when there's change of body. But Krsna explains, "You can see that you had a small body, now you have a youthful body, now you have an old man's body." Actually there is a continuum of change at every moment. So this is the changing material body, and the mind likewise is changing, but the soul, the living entity, is not changing. And this is experienced practically by the fact that in spite of so many changes of body that we had we've still the same person. Just like we can remember when we were young children playing in the park or at the streets, and then older, older, older; going to school; older, family life; older, now retired; now like this. So like this the body is changing in so many ways but still I'm the same person. This can be practically experienced. Everyone has this understanding: different bodies but you're still the same person.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE TRUTH???
IF not follow your FROG SCIENTISTS and be happy :haha: |
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