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The Scientists Bluff Exposed (pg. 7)
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
No one can really say that what they are saying is, in fact, true.
It's only their opinions....their idea of what they perceive reality to be....not reality in the sense of physicality and being able to notice what is and what isn't...but the reality of their opinions becoming apodictic truths to all...and that's just not gonna happen.
Logic 101 folks. Your truth is definitely not my truth;) and vice versa.
This whole damn thread is nothing.
Arg.
Flame on!:whip: |
well nothing is something....but by definition it would not be nothign anymore. therefore, nothign only occurs in that brief amount of time where you have not thought that it is something.
I feel the universe imploding already. run for the hills. |
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| Flyboy217 |
Good Lord this thread is horrifying (no pun intended. Seriously.)!
I want to make a few things clear. First, Moti and his motley Hare Krishna crew stole our (Hinduism's) God (Krishna) and holy texts (Vedas, Gita, etc). Second, I'm constantly amazed at this religious pseudo-logical nonsense. I'm a big fan of debunking the "dogmatic" religions (Islam, Christianity, etc...), but having to hear this garbage hits much closer to home. It's perhaps the worst nonsense I've ever read on TA, and I hope it stops quickly. In the meantime, I will try to add to Moti's fun little story:
Scientists are like gerbils. Gerbils eat pellets. So scientists must too. Is it not so? Who would take a scientist as a pet? He too is a sinner. It is written in the Book that life cannot come from matter. Therefore, the Book is right. Can it be otherwise? Is it not childish to disagree? Can you not hear children? Scientists say gravity pulls things down. Is it not the will of the Almighty God that allows balloons to float? Can anybody dictate otherwise?
Okay I'm having too much fun. I think I'll stop now. I think most of us here realize that poking logical holes in this nutjob's post isn't going to get us anywhere. Instead, I invite all of you to continue the story. Be as creatively stupid and nonsensical as you can. The goal is to beat Moti. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
No one can really say that what they are saying is, in fact, true.
It's only their opinions....their idea of what they perceive reality to be....not reality in the sense of physicality and being able to notice what is and what isn't...but the reality of their opinions becoming apodictic truths to all...and that's just not gonna happen.
Logic 101 folks. Your truth is definitely not my truth;) and vice versa.
This whole damn thread is nothing.
Arg.
Flame on!:whip: |
Heh, here's a good thread on absolute truths:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...th&pagenumber=4
Scroll halfway down the page. ;) |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Ahhhhh but you speak wrongly. For you see, the body of the youth makes the transition from a childly body to a man-child's body BEFORE the old man: yavadam krishnamavan. In that phase we can see that there is no young, old, OR younger-old. In this translocation of the spirit, the body sees without seeing and reality becomes ever clear to the trained magical mind. It is in this phase that Shiva relinquishes complete truth and the body and spirit and mind are melded into one where the nose acheives complete awareness. In this instant of oneness with Shiva, our mind transmogrifies as a cow does with a chicken and tells us all that I need to cut my fingernails. It is ONLY then that the mind sees the duality of the spirit and the soul and the taint.
WHY DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS??? IT IS AS SIMPLE AS HARE KRISHNA SAID. YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FOLLOWER!!! YOU ARE ONE OF THE JUDAS FOLLOWERS WHO POISONED AND TORTURED Prabhupada!!!! YOUR EYES ARE CLOGGED WITH KIT-KATS AND YOUR STOMACH IS FULL OF PEE-PEE!! |
Wow, you caught on quickly!
Now go shave your head, grab a bongo, and head toward the airport. |
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Ahhhhh but you speak wrongly. For you see, the body of the youth makes the transition from a childly body to a man-child's body BEFORE the old man: yavadam krishnamavan. In that phase we can see that there is no young, old, OR younger-old. In this translocation of the spirit, the body sees without seeing and reality becomes ever clear to the trained magical mind. It is in this phase that Shiva relinquishes complete truth and the body and spirit and mind are melded into one where the nose acheives complete awareness. In this instant of oneness with Shiva, our mind transmogrifies as a cow does with a chicken and tells us all that I need to cut my fingernails. It is ONLY then that the mind sees the duality of the spirit and the soul and the taint.
WHY DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS??? IT IS AS SIMPLE AS HARE KRISHNA SAID. YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FOLLOWER!!! YOU ARE ONE OF THE JUDAS FOLLOWERS WHO POISONED AND TORTURED Prabhupada!!!! YOUR EYES ARE CLOGGED WITH KIT-KATS AND YOUR STOMACH IS FULL OF PEE-PEE!! |
I understand it. IT'S CALLED WORD JUGGLERY. :haha: |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
No one can really say that what they are saying is, in fact, true.
It's only their opinions....their idea of what they perceive reality to be....not reality in the sense of physicality and being able to notice what is and what isn't...but the reality of their opinions becoming apodictic truths to all...and that's just not gonna happen.
Logic 101 folks. Your truth is definitely not my truth;) and vice versa.
This whole damn thread is nothing.
Arg.
Flame on!:whip: |
eh isnt that what i said.... lol:tongue2 philosophy is stuck in my head... I HATE PHILOSOPHY! |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Wow, you caught on quickly!
Now go shave your head, grab a bongo, and head toward the airport. |
What the???? You don't sign on to the internet at night! I sense shennanigans ... |
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flyboy217
Good Lord this thread is horrifying (no pun intended. Seriously.)!
I want to make a few things clear. First, Moti and his motley Hare Krishna crew stole our (Hinduism's) God (Krishna) and holy texts (Vedas, Gita, etc). |
Hey Mr. Hindu.... for you:
Kathy Kerr: Ah. Very well. Okay, I understand that this is an extension of Hindu religion. Is that not correct? No, it's not. Does it have any basic tenets of the Hindu religion?
Prabhupada: There is no such word as Hindu religion. You do not know. There is no such word as Hindu religion, at least in the Vedas. The religion is translated into Sanskrit as "characteristic." Religion is not a kind of faith. Just like chemical composition. Sugar is sweet--that is religion. Sugar must be sweet. Sugar cannot be pungent. Or chili must be pungent. If chili is sweet, we reject it, and sugar is pungent, you reject it. Similarly, our Vedic system is to train the human being to the ultimate goal of his life. That system is called varnasrama-dharma, gradually training the person how to become perfect human being and understand the goal of his life. That is our activity. It is not meant for any particular sect or particular nation. No. It is meant for the whole human society, how to make them perfect in the goal of his life.
Kathy Kerr: Through what means do you train the human being to become, to achieve his ultimate goal in life?
Prabhupada: To understand his spiritual identification. At the present moment, this age, all over the world, things are passing on on the bodily concept of life. But we are not this body. That is the defect of modern civilization, that there are two things--one, the body; and the moving force which is moving the body. So they are taking care of the body, but they have no information what is that moving force. They are presenting some foolish theories that the body is moving by chemical composition, by this, that, but actually they do not know what is there. The chemical composition..., what is that? Frankenstein or something?
Jayadvaita: Frankenstein. (laughter)
Prabhupada: These foolish things are going on. They think the body, by some chemical and physical combination and electric power.... Although they have not been able to do so, but still they'll theorize like that. In this way the whole human society is going on in a deep, ignorant platform. So, that is the defect of the human society at the present moment, and we are trying to mend this defect by this Krsna consciousness movement. People are trying to understand. Our books are being very nicely received by the educated circle. We have got so many books. About, for the time, we have got over fifty-four books like this. This book is selling very nicely, Bhagavad-gita As It Is. We have printed recent edition, 350,000 copies, that is finished. Again we are going to print 500,000 copies. So it is a great science meant for all human beings, not for the Hindus or the Muslim or the Christian. Science, mathematic, is meant for everyone. So it is spiritual science. Everyone should take advantage of it. Otherwise what was the use of my.... I have not come here to preach Hindu religion. Why you should take Hindu religion? You are already Christian. So what is use of replacing Christian religion to Hindu religion? We have no such distinction. We are not after increasing the number of Hindus; we are after making the human being perfect in knowledge. That is our aim.
Kathy Kerr: Do you believe then that there is more than one way?
Prabhupada: There is only one way. Just like the spirit soul is within you and within me. Your skin may be white, my skin may be colored, but within, the spirit soul, what is there in you, that is in me also. There is not change on account of the body. Therefore to understand that spirit soul, there is only one way. There is no second way. Because it is not experimental; it is already there. If it is based on experiment and observation, then my experiment, your experiment may be different. But it is a fact that the soul is there, and as soon as the soul is gone from the body, the body is a dead lump of matter. That you have to understand. And any gentleman, any sensible man can understand it, that soul is there although we are changing body. Just like you were a child. That's a fact. But where is that child's body? Now your body's different. Is it not a fact? What do you think? So where is that body, your child's body?
Kathy Kerr: It's material, I would say.
Prabhupada: Material. When you were on the lap of your mother the body was so small. Now you are a young girl and you are.... So where is that small body? That means you have changed bodies. But your mother knows that you are the same, "My child." Because you have grown up or you have changed your body, your mother will not cry "Where is my child?" She knows that "My child is there, but she has changed body." Why these people do not understand this plain truth? Suppose you have come in this dress; next moment you come in another dress. But if I know you I'll not mistake because you have changed your dress. Similarly, we are changing our dress from baby to child, child to boy, boy to young man, young man to middle-aged man, constantly changing, every moment. Medical science also says. The blood corpuscles are changed every moment. So we are changing our body every moment. But still we cannot understand that on account of change of body, the living force within the body does not change. Is there any difficulty to understand? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
What the???? You don't sign on to the internet at night! I sense shennanigans ... |
The Mrs. is at school on Mon. nights. I'm free to roam, bitch, and definitely moan!
Hee hee!!! |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
Hello, my name is Moti, it's great to visit your forum. The following is a sample of a brilliant critique of the dominant policies, theories and presuppositions of modern science and scientists by the world-famous saint, cultural ambassador, scholar and social reformer His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
I'm posting it for general discussion.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/prabhupada1/ |
Take a hike asswipe and don't come back again!
We don't want your friggin' views on life and religion out here. You and your followers are a buncha friggin' morons who have no earthly idea what you're even talking about unless it's "pass another lude". Stay off this site else I will give you a flaming you will never forget and will seek hackers to destroy your website!
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Mr. Phillips - Stay Alive (Cosmic Culture Mix) |
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Take a hike asswipe and don't come back again!
We don't want your friggin' views on life and religion out here. You and your followers are a buncha friggin' morons who have no earthly idea what you're even talking about unless it's "pass another lude". Stay off this site else I will give you a flaming you will never forget and will seek hackers to destroy your website!
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Mr. Phillips - Stay Alive (Cosmic Culture Mix) |
The forum's watch DOG is back :whip:
Prabhupada: The dog is barking. He is thinking, "I am dog. I am appointed here as watchman, watchdog, and as soon as somebody is passing, 'Yow! Gow! Gow!' " So, and similarly, if I keep myself in the dog mentality and act like that--"Why you have come to this country [FORUM] ? Why you have come to my jurisdiction?" the same dog mentality.
What cats and dogs will understand about philosophy? If a dog is barking and you speak with him very nicely "my dear dog, please try to control your barking, it is very disturbing" will he be able to understand? therefore we simply throw him a bone, and he is satisfied. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| Well aren't we a bunch of loving individuals:wtf: |
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