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The Scientists Bluff Exposed (pg. 6)
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| Moti |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I repeat:
Calling him a fool certainly won't win over anyone toward your dimwit illogical ramblings.
I don't give a rat's ass if YOU said it or your dali llama said it. It certainly won't win anyone over calling him a "fool".
And to repeat the rest of my statement:
Please answer the questions we posed to you earlier. Posting more cut -n- pastes without answering previous posts only demonstrates your complete utter ignorance and/or stupidity.
So stop being a f$cking 'tard and answer the questions, if you will.
Charlie Boy? WTF is that?
And by the way, you completely missed his reference. Please try to reread and interpret what he is getting at. |
If my arguments are illogical then the more i call YOU FOOL the better for you, is it not? :cool: |
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| Moti |
| THE COMPUTER DIDN'T HAPPEN BY CHANCE, DID IT???? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
THE COMPUTER DIDN'T HAPPEN BY CHANCE, DID IT???? |
Actually, the computer was invented as a result of many scientific discoveries that were entirely accidental.
Nonetheless, even if it was deliberate from the start, humans invented the computer and humans came to being by chance, so technically, in a cosmic sense, so did the computer.
Edit: P.S. shut the up. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
We've experienced in our practical lifetime that we were very tiny, youth, we had a small body, child's body: kaumaram yauvanam. Then youthful body, then we're having old man, old woman's body, like this. So practically speaking, this body is constantly changing. Although Krsna gives this example because He is trying to explain a very fine point of understanding, namely transmigration of the soul: that in reality the body that we have is changing at every moment, at every instant. But we can not see that because our consciousness is not so sharp to pick up when there's change of body. But Krsna explains, "You can see that you had a small body, now you have a youthful body, now you have an old man's body." Actually there is a continuum of change at every moment. So this is the changing material body, and the mind likewise is changing, but the soul, the living entity, is not changing. And this is experienced practically by the fact that in spite of so many changes of body that we had we've still the same person. Just like we can remember when we were young children playing in the park or at the streets, and then older, older, older; going to school; older, family life; older, now retired; now like this. So like this the body is changing in so many ways but still I'm the same person. This can be practically experienced. Everyone has this understanding: different bodies but you're still the same person. |
What you seem to have trouble understanding is that the progressive change of our physical and mental beings does not necessitate any spiritual explanation.
Science cannot presently espouse a precise explanation of each and every process which contributes to this change. Instead, it can provide only theory, which it as of yet is unable to prove.
Spirituality, similarly, can provide only theory. However, not only are spiritual individuals unable to prove the validity of their theories, but they make no serious attempt to do so. Instead, they insist that you accept the truth of their assertions without providing any empirical evidence whatsoever to support their claims.
So, one has three choices, it seems:
1. Accept one's own ignorance of the truth and live as best we can without such knowledge while seeking to advance our understanding of such matters through scientific processes of observation.
2. Consider scientific theory to espouse absolute truth despite a lack of proof.
3. Consider spiritual theory to espouse absolute truth despite a lack of proof.
Both #2 and #3 are instances of bad faith, whereby one deceives himself into the belief that he possesses knowledge when in fact he remains ignorant. The only rational course of action is #1. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
If my arguments are illogical then the more i call YOU FOOL the better for you, is it not? :cool: |
How would this be better for me? You mean you are proving my point that you're illogical?
To that I would certainly agree.
If this is not what you are referring to, please explain otherwise. |
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| Mr. Pink |
Ok damn im going to get flamed for this, but i just have to pop in....and this is to everyone, and i am no exception...
your "Gods" do not exist.
whatever humanistic rules or limitations, your faiths and whatever you like to categorize yourselves in..... do you actually believe that everything you think is actually considered palpable factology?
For you maybe, but definitely not for me and most likely half the damn people in this forum.
No one is going to agree, so stfu.
You're all trying to speak of truths, but they are your own.
Even your own interpretation of the faith and religion your parents (or whoever) taught you of is different from those that taught them.
The smallest added detail changes everything...
Whatever "God" is should be considered devine...and trying to define something devine is only making the idea of God a vulgar and completely subjective one.
Hope no one bitches about that :wtf: |
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| nrjizer |
You know, I truly wonder if this guy is some random person (or perhaps a forum regular) looking for kicks, by registering a new profile (he hasn't even made any other posts on the forum) and copying/pasting some old, theistic doctrines from the 70's, defending them with assinine logic, all just to get a rise out of us.
Even if you're not, I don't see why you find it necessary to come here and preach your doctrine. Spirtuality is not some pre-packaged myth/morality you can just take up and call yourself a better person. You miss the point of most of these myths - they're not meant to be taken literally. Even if they were originally created to be taken as such, that doesn't make them so, nor does it mean you can't interpret them into valuable lessons to make your life, and the lives of those around you, better. And please, don't even waste your time by trying to refute with some analogy or quote, because I'm already aware of your ideals, and I'm aware of what they are and are not in relation to the truth of these sorts of things. |
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| UWM |
| I have a feeling this is electronicmaji being a doucebag under a different moniker. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moti
But because your brains are full of stool you cannot even understand the ABC of spiritual life:
We've experienced in our practical lifetime that we were very tiny, youth, we had a small body, child's body: kaumaram yauvanam. Then youthful body, then we're having old man, old woman's body, like this. So practically speaking, this body is constantly changing. Although Krsna gives this example because He is trying to explain a very fine point of understanding, namely transmigration of the soul: that in reality the body that we have is changing at every moment, at every instant. But we can not see that because our consciousness is not so sharp to pick up when there's change of body. But Krsna explains, "You can see that you had a small body, now you have a youthful body, now you have an old man's body." Actually there is a continuum of change at every moment. So this is the changing material body, and the mind likewise is changing, but the soul, the living entity, is not changing. And this is experienced practically by the fact that in spite of so many changes of body that we had we've still the same person. Just like we can remember when we were young children playing in the park or at the streets, and then older, older, older; going to school; older, family life; older, now retired; now like this. So like this the body is changing in so many ways but still I'm the same person. This can be practically experienced. Everyone has this understanding: different bodies but you're still the same person.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE TRUTH???
IF not follow your FROG SCIENTISTS and be happy :haha: |
Ahhhhh but you speak wrongly. For you see, the body of the youth makes the transition from a childly body to a man-child's body BEFORE the old man: yavadam krishnamavan. In that phase we can see that there is no young, old, OR younger-old. In this translocation of the spirit, the body sees without seeing and reality becomes ever clear to the trained magical mind. It is in this phase that Shiva relinquishes complete truth and the body and spirit and mind are melded into one where the nose acheives complete awareness. In this instant of oneness with Shiva, our mind transmogrifies as a cow does with a chicken and tells us all that I need to cut my fingernails. It is ONLY then that the mind sees the duality of the spirit and the soul and the taint.
WHY DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS??? IT IS AS SIMPLE AS HARE KRISHNA SAID. YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FOLLOWER!!! YOU ARE ONE OF THE JUDAS FOLLOWERS WHO POISONED AND TORTURED Prabhupada!!!! YOUR EYES ARE CLOGGED WITH KIT-KATS AND YOUR STOMACH IS FULL OF PEE-PEE!! |
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| MrSquirrel |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_mdma
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GARONGA!!!!
MrS |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
You're all trying to speak of truths, but they are your own.
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well truth is only defined by each persons point of view.... so i guess everyone here speaks the truth.. is it the truth to someone else... maybe... |
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
well truth is only defined by each persons point of view.... so i guess everyone here speaks the truth.. is it the truth to someone else... maybe... |
No one can really say that what they are saying is, in fact, true.
It's only their opinions....their idea of what they perceive reality to be....not reality in the sense of physicality and being able to notice what is and what isn't...but the reality of their opinions becoming apodictic truths to all...and that's just not gonna happen.
Logic 101 folks. Your truth is definitely not my truth;) and vice versa.
This whole damn thread is nothing.
Arg.
Flame on!:whip: |
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