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"God Hates Fags" coalition plans rally near New Paltz NY churches (pg. 4)
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electronicmaji
homosexauls do choose to be gay...
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heres the evidence when a person does something it is because of a choice you choose to have gay sex you do not choose to be atracted but you do choose to do that thing |
Surely you notice the contradiction in your "arguement"? |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electronicmaji
homosexauls do choose to be gay... |
Evidence for that unsupported assertion?
| quote: | | now for the part of couples who can not have children...they are not choosing to be unsterile... |
Nor are gays.
However, if we accept your (invalid) premise that gays choose to be that way, what about straight women & men that choose to have their tubes clipped, or have a vasectomy? They're choosing to be sterile.
| quote: | | heres the evidence when a person does something it is because of a choice you choose to have gay sex |
Correct - just as you choose to have heterosexual sex.
| quote: | | you do not choose to be atracted but you do choose to do that thing.... |
Correct, exactly the same with straight people.
| quote: | | basic simple primary ultimate truth same with 1+1=2 it can never be changed it is ultimate... |
And this is where it all falls over. What on earth does that even mean? It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic - so why did you post it? |
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| torontotrance |
The argument of creation vs. evolution will be argued till the end of time and the same with do people chose to be gay or are they that way. So why bother with the same stuff.
I am a proud Christian but deeply offended at that pastor and he should really read the Bible himself and take notice of the greatest commandments which are love others as yourself and love God with everything. Well he broke one of them, pathetic init. I have personally signed petitions going against gay marriages in the past few years because I think marriage is between a man and a woman, argue that if you wish, I really don't want to at this time of night. I have gay friends but I won't ever attend a gay parade or show support for their lifestyle, it comes down to my beliefs and they are that being homosexual is sin. I don't hate gays but I won't support the lifestyle because I think it is wrong but God hates fags is simply pathetic and the district of his church should have fired him, I would have left the church if he was my pastor. What message does that send to kids, it really comes to down to God loves everyone equally but hates sin of any kind. No wonder people have this warped sense of Christians because of the 5% out there that do the stupid crap. |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
The argument of creation vs. evolution will be argued till the end of time and the same with do people chose to be gay or are they that way. So why bother with the same stuff. |
No it won't. ;) Creationism is practically dead everywhere except the US and to an extend, Canada. It will eventually fizzle out, until it becomes as absurd as the flat earth theory.
And no, science will eventually find out how and why people are gay - so I think you're wrong there as well.
| quote: | | I am a proud Christian but deeply offended at that pastor and he should really read the Bible himself and take notice of the greatest commandments which are love others as yourself and love God with everything. Well he broke one of them, pathetic init. I have personally signed petitions going against gay marriages in the past few years because I think marriage is between a man and a woman, argue that if you wish, I really don't want to at this time of night. I have gay friends but I won't ever attend a gay parade or show support for their lifestyle, it comes down to my beliefs and they are that being homosexual is sin. I don't hate gays but I won't support the lifestyle because I think it is wrong but God hates fags is simply pathetic and the district of his church should have fired him, I would have left the church if he was my pastor. What message does that send to kids, it really comes to down to God loves everyone equally but hates sin of any kind. No wonder people have this warped sense of Christians because of the 5% out there that do the stupid crap. |
That's mostly fine with me. :p The issue isn't with people believing that homosexuality is a sin on religious grounds - it's when they start to discriminate and so forth. Out of interest - how can you oppose gay marriage on secular grounds? What they want is civil marriage, not religious marriage. Your church is still free to refuse to marry them - but that doesn't mean that the state should be discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation.
If you're in the mood to hash this over - what (NT) biblical passages support the idea that homosexuality is a sin?
If you're going to quote OT laws, then I'd be interested to know if you follow full levitical law, and if so, are you a follower of messianic Judaism? |
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| Electronicmaji |
actually around 90 percent of people in the world beleive in God
look at south america 95 percent are catholics and a little more thant 0.0001 percent are athiests....now for evolution only 35 percent of the people in south america beleive in it---- |
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| torontotrance |
lol
My church supports the Bible and has refused to marry any gay couple and will refuse to do so. How am I refusing homosexuality on secular grounds, I don't believe in secularism and it is useless to me. I believe in a higher power and why do people think that religion has to answer to their ideals and their views. God is the law and he made those laws, so you answer to him, not the other way around. I'll answer your other question, another time. |
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| Electronicmaji |
| and no it wont become half as ridiculous as the flat earth theory because the wrongness of the flat earth theory can be OBSERVED yes its a long word here let me help you out.. OB-SERV-ED |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electronicmaji
and no it wont become half as ridiculous as the flat earth theory because the wrongness of the flat earth theory can be OBSERVED yes its a long word here let me help you out.. OB-SERV-ED |
and it is not half as ridiculous as atheism because god can be OBSERVED yes its a long word here let me help you out... OB-SERV-ED.....oh wait...
a virus like AIDS can be observed under a microscope microevolving in a matter of hours |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
lol
My church supports the Bible and has refused to marry any gay couple and will refuse to do so. How am I refusing homosexuality on secular grounds, I don't believe in secularism and it is useless to me. I believe in a higher power and why do people think that religion has to answer to their ideals and their views. God is the law and he made those laws, so you answer to him, not the other way around. I'll answer your other question, another time. |
Fair enough, nobody is saying that your Church should marry gays - that's their right not to. It's civil marriages that gays want. If they want religious marriages, then tough - they'll have to take it up with their particular religion's leaders.
If you don't believe in secularism - does that mean that you don't believe in separation of Church and state? Are you in favour of imposing a theocracy on the entire of the population? :eek:
| quote: | Originally posted by Electronicmaji
actually around 90 percent of people in the world beleive in God |
Source, and your point?
Further to that - which god are we talking about here? The Hindu deitys, Allah, the Christian/Jewish god, the Pagan god, the Deist's god, the Sikh's god, the Shinto gods, etc. etc.
| quote: | | look at south america 95 percent are catholics and a little more thant 0.0001 percent are athiests....now for evolution only 35 percent of the people in south america beleive in it---- |
FFS, stop throwing around statistics without sources. Start backing up your assertions - put up or shut up.
Further to that, I still have absolutely no idea what that has to do with the topic? :conf: |
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| astroboy |
The laws in most Western countries were not made by God but by man. You have to accept the reality that plenty of people get married in the eyes of the state, without ever undergoing any religious ceremony. This entitles them to a certain status, and certain benefits, including things like tax benefits, whichc have nothing to do with religion or God. If your religion opposes gay marriage, fair enough no gays will be married in your churches, as you believe it is against God's commandments but that is no reason to stop them from being recognised as married by the state. The legal definition of marriage has absolutely nothing to do with any religious notion of marriage in the eyes of God. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's".
As for Catholicism: Last year the vatican released a doctrinal document entitled: "Considerations regarding proposals to give legal recognition to unions between homosexual persons". Reconfirming the ban on homosexual unions and the ban on homosexuals from receiving communion. Interestingly the edict was issued by the Sacred Congregation For The Doctrine of The Faith... an organisation which did not always go under that name ;)... I'll let you do the research. |
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| astroboy |
Since no one's checked it out yet, the former name od the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of The Faith was "The Holy Roman Inquisition" !!!
That's right kiddies, they never ceased to exist, they just changed names! |
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| tathi |
| i looked it up astro, interesting tidbit of information that i might be using in debates for the future :) |
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