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Do You Pay For The Tunes You Spin? (pg. 2)
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| Boomer187 |
well I only have vinyl decks, so right now it is only stuff I bought.
however I am gonna be honest, once i get cd decks I will play downloaded tunes. However the main reason I would play them is that they are not released yet on vinyl. I will never stop buying vinyl, its just I hate the long period between when we hear it, and when it is available.
so I guess I can mark this poll even though it is a hypothetical situation. |
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| razzi |
i only have turntables, option 1 it is.
i have djed at friends parties or something for free, and if they have cdjs, then i may burn a few mp3s and bring them, but this is very rarely, like maybe 5-10 times in the past 3 years. |
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| cryo |
| I believe mp3s are fine if its for your own HOME use and you don't make money from it. This seems like a general agreement for everyone. And obviously when it steps outside of your bedroom then it isn`t right. |
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| Ibiza Dreams |
| quote: | Originally posted by Briden
Downloaded music has a place, it is for evaluating singles and also an excellent medium for distributing DJ sets, bootlegs etc. |
And who exactly put downloaded music in this "place" you speak of? I don't remember Shawn Fanning (or anyone else) stating how downloaded music should be used. If it's available to the public, who's to say which is the *right* way to use it... is there a right way? Or is it your way?
Don't get me wrong, I understand the financial support consumers must give to the original artists... and I agree, I would like to make money out of producing music. But bitching and complaining about how it's wrong to download music, is like bitching and complaining about how people should become vegetarian and how it's wrong to eat meat. I have an option to download music, whether I decide to do it or not is my decision unless some physical handicap or otherwise prevents me from doing so. Or if I somehow see the light on how I am costing the industry millions of dollars in profit from the tracks I download.
On the the other hand, I whip out 15 and up to 45 bucks per "club or event" I go to, which usually is paying the big-name DJ in the thousands of dollars to spin. Electronica artists don't primarily rake in the cash from record sales, as a few grand per night spinning seems to help them live adequately. As for the up and coming artists, again, productions are not their primary source of income... as productions are more for exposure than anything else. They release something, I download it, if I like it, I'll pull out my wallet and go see them spin when they come by my area.
Things in life such as eating meat or driving cars which cause pollution are not going to go away, just like downloading music for listening or pleasure... it becomes part of the industry and if it does cause such an enormous problem for a specific party, then they will make efforts to adapt to it or reach a compromise. But I will not become a missionary or a preacher trying to convert those who do download music if they can do it freely. And if the parties which claim they are most affected don't take steps to do something about it, then apparently they really didn't give a if we download music or not in the first place. And from what the producers say, it doesn't seem to bother them too much, I don't see many of them getting off their asses and start working towards a way to solve this horrible problem.
You say it's good for evaluating singles. So let's say you listen to the new single from DJ Sammy, and it turns out to be . You won't be at the store dropping cash on his new single/record will you? But what if you were interested in buying his record in the first place, but didn't have the opportunity to "evaluate" it as you say... you would go right to the store and buy that . So because you have the MP3, you're not gonna go support DJ Sammy, now ain't that a bitch? Now who's hurting the industry? Dj Sammy deserves money too doesn't he? But then again you were only "evaluating" which still stopped you from supporting an artist's music you would've normally bought if you hadn't listened to the sample online. I evaluate music too, if I like it, I go see them at the local night club. But where do you draw the line?
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You say if you weren't able to spin downloaded tracks, you wouldn't be able to spin. Well, if i wasn't able to drive a porsche, because i couldn't steal one, then guess what, i wouldn't drive one! |
Right, so I would end up driving the piece of on wheels I drive now. I paid very little for my car, but guess what, it works. I bought it from a private dealer so Geo didn't make from me, but I'm still driving their car. I pay for my internet connection every month, and this allows me to listen and download music. And I might not get CD-quality songs by downloading, I still get songs which are good enough to listen to.
Bottom Line: If the choice is there of whether or not to download music, nothing you can say is going to change the views of people as long as the option is there. Whether it's right or wrong is up to the individual to decide. |
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| rainbow_marble |
| is it illegal if i stole all my records from the record shop? :D |
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| moondog |
| i dotn have decks ATM, so all my music is MP3 that i mix on the puter. if i ever did get good enough to play out, i would only use legal stuff |
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| Prodigy Child |
| quote: | Originally posted by Luke Terry
I voted for the top option, I only play legit stuff now. I do have Mp3s on my computer however, mostly for evaluation purposes.
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I'm the exact same way, although I do like to spin my Burned MP3 Vinyl....:crazy: |
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| skytribe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
And who exactly put downloaded music in this "place" you speak of? I don't remember Shawn Fanning (or anyone else) stating how downloaded music should be used. If it's available to the public, who's to say which is the *right* way to use it... is there a right way? Or is it your way?
Bottom Line: If the choice is there of whether or not to download music, nothing you can say is going to change the views of people as long as the option is there. Whether it's right or wrong is up to the individual to decide. |
Er... no, it's not a choice.
You see, there's this thing called copyright. That means that anything I create, I have the right to decide how it can and can not be used. If I write a track, and you want to cane it, great--buy the damn record. If you download it from my site and spin it in public, then you've just broken the law.
Not only that, but you have effectively said that you can steal whatever you want, and make money off it. How would you like it if someone, say, downloaded a set you'd done, and passed it off as their own? Say, sent it to a record label and got them to release it? Or even just burned a couple hundred copies himself and sold them in local stores?
You'd probably be a bit pissed off, wouldn't you? |
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| vaes |
i do have some illegal cd-r's
i have about 10 cd-r ,off course more of them will be made but i only use them in emergency's: because on these cd's is music I don't like,rnb, rock and so one and when i spin an all sorts of music party i'll use them |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
You say it's good for evaluating singles. So let's say you listen to the new single from DJ Sammy, and it turns out to be . You won't be at the store dropping cash on his new single/record will you? But what if you were interested in buying his record in the first place, but didn't have the opportunity to "evaluate" it as you say... you would go right to the store and buy that . So because you have the MP3, you're not gonna go support DJ Sammy, now ain't that a bitch? Now who's hurting the industry? Dj Sammy deserves money too doesn't he? But then again you were only "evaluating" which still stopped you from supporting an artist's music you would've normally bought if you hadn't listened to the sample online. I evaluate music too, if I like it, I go see them at the local night club. But where do you draw the line?
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If DJ Sammy's record is , which it probably is, then no, he does not deserve money. This is not a good point...
Plus if it were a good record shop you could listen to it before buying it anyway... |
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| Briden |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
And who exactly put downloaded music in this "place" you speak of? I don't remember Shawn Fanning (or anyone else) stating how downloaded music should be used. If it's available to the public, who's to say which is the *right* way to use it... is there a right way? Or is it your way?
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It wasn't me that put it in it's place, it's common sense. It's morality? Who made rape wrong? who made theft wrong? they are wrong because it hurts other people, period.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
...if I somehow see the light on how I am costing the industry millions of dollars in profit from the tracks I download.
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I'm hoping so
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
if the parties which claim they are most affected don't take steps to do something about it, then apparently they really didn't give a if we download music or not in the first place. |
they are doing something about it, have you not been watching the news? they are suing people, or in the case of smaller labels that can't afford that, just closing down all together.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
You say it's good for evaluating singles. So let's say you listen to the new single from DJ Sammy, and it turns out to be . You won't be at the store dropping cash on his new single/record will you? But what if you were interested in buying his record in the first place, but didn't have the opportunity to "evaluate" it as you say... you would go right to the store and buy that . So because you have the MP3, you're not gonna go support DJ Sammy, now ain't that a bitch? Now who's hurting the industry? Dj Sammy deserves money too doesn't he?
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no, he doesn't, but that's not the point.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
But then again you were only "evaluating" which still stopped you from supporting an artist's music you would've normally bought if you hadn't listened to the sample online.
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Your point is here is valid, without MP3, there would be no exposure, and we wouldn't be able to buy records. That is what i use them for, evaluating and choosing what tracks to buy. Also, some tracks just CAN'T be obtained on vinyl, and for those, i believe it's fair game to spin them on burned CDs.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
I evaluate music too, if I like it, I go see them at the local night club. But where do you draw the line?
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personally, i draw the line at spinning them out in a club, or even in making a demo CD (for the purpose of obtaining a spot spinning in a club). In a sense i am not really even comfy with spinning downloaded music in the bedroom, because then the incentive to buy dissapears, and with it, the potential incentive for new music to be produced. But it's going to happen and i accept it. I think that after you have decided that DJing is for you, and bought decent equipment, you should start paying for your music as well.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
Right, so I would end up driving the piece of on wheels I drive now. I paid very little for my car, but guess what, it works. I bought it from a private dealer so Geo didn't make from me, but I'm still driving their car.
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Yeah, I drive a piece of too, because i spend all my money on vinyl.
Bottom line is, there is nothing wrong with MP3, but there is something wrong with getting something of someone elses for free, then using that to make money, while simultaneously ensuring that they cannot continue to do what they do. |
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| zoomzoom |
| quote: | Originally posted by skytribe
You see, there's this thing called copyright. That means that anything I create, I have the right to decide how it can and can not be used. If I write a track, and you want to cane it, great--buy the damn record. If you download it from my site and spin it in public, then you've just broken the law.
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I think we all agree on that: That spinning music you downloaded in public and for profit is wrong. However, there is a huge difference between private/evaluation use of mp3s and that.
How many of us would not even have gotten into trance if it weren't for 'illegal' music. If I never listened to a few 'illegal' mixes and tracks, I would have never been exposed to trance and thus never would have bought all the music that I have.
I believe the vast majority of us who use mp3 do so with proper respect to copyright holders. There has to be a balance, meaning that there can't be lawless copying, but at the same time I think it would be wrong NOT to utilize this valuable resource. |
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