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Do You Pay For The Tunes You Spin? (pg. 4)
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although i'm a bedroom dj who spins cd only i have never spun a track i didn't buy or have the permission to play anywhere! i will most likely never be anything else than a bedroom dj, but still i think i'm never ever going to spin a track i downloaded. it's just a principle of mine! i do download mp3s though and if i like the tunes i buy them if they are available on cd, if not i won't delete them, but i won't be using them to spin, just listening!
and IMO anyone who downloads illegal tracks and plays them out is a total moron with no respect for the scene! and they get like zero respect from me then too!
slsk djs go yourselves! |
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| Ibiza Dreams |
| quote: | Originally posted by skytribe
Er... no, it's not a choice. |
It's definitely a choice, I can choose to download music or I can choose not to. Just like I can choose to take a piss when I wake up, or I can choose to hold it in, get on the 'net, download more music, and piss later. It's all choice. Whether or not it's legal is a different subject. As to the latter part of your post, we all know the story twit, there are other factors involved.
| quote: | Originally posted by Briden
Your point is here is valid, without MP3, there would be no exposure, and we wouldn't be able to buy records. That is what i use them for, evaluating and choosing what tracks to buy. Also, some tracks just CAN'T be obtained on vinyl, and for those, i believe it's fair game to spin them on burned CDs. |
I enjoy debating with you Briden, and of course we all have different views on this. From what you say, it seems as if you aren't necessarily taking the "legal" route but the moral route. Downloading even 1 MP3 from the internet is "illegal" per RIAA, no matter if you use it for evaluation, decoration, or because you can't find it in stores. The "samples" in the online stores are for evaluation. It's only "fair game" in your mind, and other individuals who share your views. But it's not "legal." And in case no one has noticed, RIAA also plans on making online STREAMING illegal without consent of the artist. , they better start asking for my consent to play my Live MP3 sets...
What I meant about "If it weren't for MP3, I wouldn't be spinning" is that, many people here are in college, just plain poor, or are struggling to move ahead in the real world and start making some type of profit. And unfortunately music or hobbies at this point in life don't fit the puzzle which is our budget. Money goes to school, food, roof-on-head, and hamburgers. And that's about it unless Mommy and Daddy support your music addiction. I love spinning, it's a great hobby, and if I can do it somehow without having to sell more bodyparts like I did to buy DJ gear, I will, and I do in my bedroom. And now it comes to the following moral choice... we all know downloading is not good for the scene or for this or for that... at this point, the CHOICE (skytribe pay attention) is to either download music or don't listen to music. If these people don't download music, they most likely won't buy music because of their situation. The moral choice being downloading or listening to 103.6 BustYoAss 24/7 Rap Radio. I would love to buy all the singles and records out there, that's why I play the lottery, but when it comes down to it, I rather listen to music and not support the scene, rather than not listen to music and still not support the scene. And to make myself feel better, when I do start making extra money, DJing or otherwise, I will make it a habit to start buying.
The beauty of electronica is that it ties in with the nightclub culture more so than other music genres. How so? A major source of income for DJs is also from performing at nightclubs and different venues. There's no way to download a night at the club, you have to pay, no way around it unless you kiss ass. But listening to music has become a choice thanks to the MP3.
| quote: | Originally posted by Briden
In a sense i am not really even comfy with spinning downloaded music in the bedroom, because then the incentive to buy dissapears |
I disagree here. What are you paying for when you go to the store and pick up a CD? Yes you are paying for the music of course (high quality compared to MP3) but you are also paying for the artwork, for the writing, for the fancy graphics on the CD, for the spiffy case it comes with... those things are not free. They all have a cost, and therefore all carry weight a.k.a. incentive. I want fancy graphics and the list of "Thank You's" and to see pretty pictures, I want a spiffy case, and I want high-quality songs. That's my incentive. I don't like looking at text on my computer and saying "that's my music." I can't hold it or look at it, etc.
I truly believe they need to start building some type of internet hosting site where you can log in, become a member or whatever, pay for tracks or pay per month, and pay for JUST the music, pure music. Without all the fancy details and cases and graphics... I'm assuming the prices of tracks would drop down considerably, making it more available to a different audience. Why would people go to a pay site rather than keep downloading? Quality, make stuff high quality available for download. And of course, a site dedicated to trance music please.
Again, it's all a matter of choice, money, and morals. You decide.
| quote: | Originally posted by stupidisco
a big you to all the soulseek / p2p dj's. :whip:
i ONLY spin that i BOUGHT.
i SUPPORT my scene. |
Bowdown to the almighty. First, wipe your tears then breathe deep and relax. Newsflash: no one knows who you are and no one cares what you're angry at. Capital letters and insults won't help anyone sympathize with your crying. Go SUPPORT your anger problem.
| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Doctor
The important difference is however, that if the DJ Sammy record is really that bad, to the extent that you’re not going to buy it, then you’re not likely to keep the MP3 are you. It will be deleted with in moments, with out a second listen. |
Dj Sammy was used as an example, exchange those words for your favorite artist. If you download their new track on MP3 (which is ILLEGAL) and "evaluate" it innocently, like you say, if you happen to think it's , then you won't buy the record. If you didn't download the MP3, you might have bought the track. Meaning that you might be supporting your favorite artist without being an outlaw, wow.
| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Doctor
These days I rarely Download singles, only use them to have a listen to tracks I’ve not heard and am curious about. |
Guess what, downloading one copyrighted MP3 is illegal. Join the club.
| quote: | Originally posted by djeternal2004
I do admit i download MP3s for evaluation purposes and seeing if a particular track i like is worth buying on vinyl. |
What is this "I admit" garbage? Confession at church? Have you sinned and downloaded? No one is here to judge you bro, you will go to heaven one day, even if you download MP3s.
| quote: | Originally posted by Prodigy Child
That just made me think, what should a person do, if they can't get a certain track on Vinyl or CD, but can find it as an MP3? |
Careful, skytribe will come looking for you if you download it. With a knife and full of repressed memories.
| quote: | Originally posted by Luke Terry
question: why would you download dj sammy anyways? lol
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Again, DJ Sammy was an arbitrary word in the reply. Replace for your favorite artist.
| quote: | Originally posted by Revel
I only play tunes i have paid for, or have permission to play from the producer...like everyone should do. |
Another angel that fell from heaven. Thanks for wise words yoda, you've made the world a better place.
| quote: | Originally posted by IntegraR0064
Yeah, [bootlegging is] still not right...but much more so. At least whoever made the track itself is being supported...even though the person he sampled isn't. When you play a downloaded mp3, no one benefits.
And you also have to realize that 99% of the time when you're bootlegging a track..it was usually very popular to begin with and probably already made a lot of money. The profits from a very limited run of vinyl wouldn't even be noticeable compared to the profits from the original track/album that's being bootlegged. What would michael jackson care about a couple hundred dollars (if that)? |
Nice deductive reasoning. It's too bad you're not the president of all the music on the planet though, if you were, your ingenious decision on what's "less" illegal would apply to everyone. Until then bootlegging is wrong/illegal just like downloading an MP3... it's not "more" illegal. It's black and white, not your gray utopia.
| quote: | Originally posted by skip
i do download mp3s though and if i like the tunes i buy them if they are available on cd, if not i won't delete them, but i won't be using them to spin, just listening!
and IMO anyone who downloads illegal tracks and plays them out is a total moron with no respect for the scene! and they get like zero respect from me then too!
slsk djs go yourselves! |
Hey skip, you're still going to burn in hell just like the rest of us. Downloading 1 MP3 is just as illegal as downloading the entire Magik series. I don't have your respect? Damn what a shame, too bad no one cares if they have the respect of an online crusader like you or not. Good luck on your mission.
Everyone has their views. C'mon everyone grow up, drink milk. |
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| Luke Terry |
you are allowed to keep Mp3s on your computer for 48 hours for evaluation purposes and keey them if you buy the record actually, mate ;)
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
Guess what, downloading one copyrighted MP3 is illegal. Join the club.
Hey skip, you're still going to burn in hell just like the rest of us. Downloading 1 MP3 is just as illegal as downloading the entire Magik series. |
Hate to burst your bubble, mr. high and mighty, but downloading mp3s is legal around here. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
Hey skip, you're still going to burn in hell just like the rest of us. Downloading 1 MP3 is just as illegal as downloading the entire Magik series. I don't have your respect? Damn what a shame, too bad no one cares if they have the respect of an online crusader like you or not. Good luck on your mission.
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sorry for having an opinion, dick! from now on i won't have my own opinions. from now on i'll have exactly the same opinions as you! you guide me oh lord for i'm a misguided soul!
LOL what a moron.
and wtf is that burning in hell ? i don't believe in god and even if i did i have no idea what relevance that has to anything said here.
and for the record, downloading all the mp3s there is on the net is not illegal here and most other countries in the world, so ha! and actually i did download the whole magik series and much more, but that's not the point here. it's the fact that if you dj with downloaded (not paid for) stuff i think it's morally wrong! that's all. i won't do it and i won't respect anyone doing it especially if they play outside their bedroom! support the scene ffs! and wtf was that online crusader on a mission? where? not me for sure. people can as they wish IMO, but i don't have to respect them if i think they had bad morals! and obviously you care about my respect after all. why else would you get so mad and start insulting me!
now go sit in the corner for a while and think, really think. try to see things from someone else's point of view for a change! it's good for you, you know! |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
Nice deductive reasoning. It's too bad you're not the president of all the music on the planet though, if you were, your ingenious decision on what's "less" illegal would apply to everyone. Until then bootlegging is wrong/illegal just like downloading an MP3... it's not "more" illegal. It's black and white, not your gray utopia.
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Legality is black and white. Morality is shades of gray. I couldn't give half a about legality....I'm talking about the morality of it all. |
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| conk |
| I DJ for two reasons in two different genres of music: Hip-Hop/Top40 (for cash) and electronic music (because I love it). I have a CD wallet filled with about 25 top40 singles. And guess what, I didn't pay for a single one. Yep, all downloaded, and I play them when I'm hired to do a Top40 gig. Why? Because those artists DO rake it in whereas electronic music DOES NOT. Also, I hate Top40 and really don't see much wrong with it. As far as electronica goes, I have a $1000+ record collection so I don't feel bad about downloading anything...I also only have turntables (my business partner owns the CDJs I spin Top40 with) so they keep me honest. Top40 = bad, electronica = good :D |
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| Spin Doctor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
Dj Sammy was used as an example, exchange those words for your favorite artist. If you download their new track on MP3 (which is ILLEGAL) and "evaluate" it innocently, like you say, if you happen to think it's , then you won't buy the record. If you didn't download the MP3, you might have bought the track. Meaning that you might be supporting your favorite artist without being an outlaw, wow. |
Read what I posted more carefully next time. My use of DJ Sammy was an arbitrary example too – regardless of who the artist is, if you download their track and it turns out to be rubbish, to the extent that you wouldn’t buy it, you don’t keep the MP3, it gets deleted.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
Guess what, downloading one copyrighted MP3 is illegal. Join the club. |
Please quote me from exactly where I said it wasn’t. |
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| roosh |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
Most of the stuff I spin is MP3. If I ever start making money DJing, i'll put all that money (or most of it) into music. I will buy the real CDs mainly for the better sound quality and because it's cool owning the actual CD, and I like cover art. I DJ out of my room and on the internet right now and I couldn't care less if people hate on downloaded music. If I wouldn't be spinning MP3s I wouldn't be spinning at all. Survival > Music |
word, i agree.
i dont know what fantasy world most of you dj's live in, but every CDdj i've met on the scene uses at least some mp3's.
i think some of the nazi-like opposition to using mp3's is because some are spending more money (maybe a justification for going vinyl?). anyway, ideally i want to use legal stuff if i ever get gigs... that would be the "moral high road." until then i consider just playing an artists song as supporting him... getting him exposure. but of course this is just another rationalizion. (i'm currently a bedroom dj).
bottom line: why do you care if another dj use mp3's or not? how does it effect you in any possible way? |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by roosh
bottom line: why do you care if another dj use mp3's or not? how does it effect you in any possible way? |
Because it hurts the electronic music industry...which obviously impacts us, who are into electronic music. |
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| goata |
i use mainly vinyl, but i think its ok to play mp3s of tracks that are impossible to find. of course you can always find them somewhere but at the end of the day if you choose not to do that hardly anyone would have copies of older songs and they would die out. so by playing the mp3 you are sort of doing the artist a favour by keeping the song alive, even tho they are not making any money out of you. which i think is more important
obviously if you can get hold of the track (legally) it is your resposiblity to support and respect the artist by buying it no matter how rich they already are |
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| T:REBEL |
I don't DL mp3 files...I go to the record site, stream the content, and make a decision to either buy it or not.
And if I head to the local record shop, they tables there so you can listen anyway.
Mp3 :whip: |
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