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Do You Pay For The Tunes You Spin? (pg. 3)
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| skytribe |
| quote: | Originally posted by zoomzoom
I think we all agree on that: That spinning music you downloaded in public and for profit is wrong. However, there is a huge difference between private/evaluation use of mp3s and that.
How many of us would not even have gotten into trance if it weren't for 'illegal' music. If I never listened to a few 'illegal' mixes and tracks, I would have never been exposed to trance and thus never would have bought all the music that I have.
I believe the vast majority of us who use mp3 do so with proper respect to copyright holders. There has to be a balance, meaning that there can't be lawless copying, but at the same time I think it would be wrong NOT to utilize this valuable resource. |
Oh, absolutely. I got into trance from partying, but I can certainly see how illegal mp3's would draw a lot of people in. I was responding to the twit who thinks there's nothign wrong with stealing other peoples' work and making money off it :) |
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| stupidisco |
a big you to all the soulseek / p2p dj's. :whip:
i ONLY spin that i BOUGHT.
i SUPPORT my scene. |
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| Spin Doctor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ibiza Dreams
You say it's good for evaluating singles. So let's say you listen to the new single from DJ Sammy, and it turns out to be . You won't be at the store dropping cash on his new single/record will you? But what if you were interested in buying his record in the first place, but didn't have the opportunity to "evaluate" it as you say... you would go right to the store and buy that . So because you have the MP3, you're not gonna go support DJ Sammy, now ain't that a bitch? Now who's hurting the industry? Dj Sammy deserves money too doesn't he? But then again you were only "evaluating" which still stopped you from supporting an artist's music you would've normally bought if you hadn't listened to the sample online. I evaluate music too, if I like it, I go see them at the local night club. But where do you draw the line? |
The important difference is however, that if the DJ Sammy record is really that bad, to the extent that you’re not going to buy it, then you’re not likely to keep the MP3 are you. It will be deleted with in moments, with out a second listen.
| quote: | Originally posted by we_R_DNA
1st Question: Does illegit and legit music make the DJ a better person?
1st AnsweR: If you think any type of music makes you a better person please consider who you are with out illegit or legit music. Music does nothing but vibrate in your ears. Some bad ass vibrations if you ask me.:) |
My answer is that yes, legit music DOES make the DJ a better person. There are two distinct fields in DJing which come together to form the whole of the art. The first is tune selection; picking the right tracks at the right moment to absolutely rock the crowd (Be it peak time Gatecrasher or an over 70’s Ball Room Waltz). The second is doing the hard work; which ironically is almost as much fun, if not more than the first. Doing the leg work, online and in stores, trying to find music you love and will make people dance. DJing from illegal media totally destroys the second half of the art of DJing. Spending 5 minutes sat in front of SLSK or DC is not the same as trawling through piles of releases in record shops or searching numerous listings of online stores. It’s this reason why you’ll find so many people against things such as final scratch. If I was a club promoter, ignoring the issues of being busted for illegal performance, and had the choice between two equally skilled DJ’s, one of which was using 12”/CD’s and the other a Laptop with MP3’s/CDR’s, I’d choose the one with 12” & CD’s every time. It shows a commitment and love for the music that’s being played.
To answer the initial thread question. I play with 100% legit music. Do I spin CDR’s? Yes, of my own productions, and those from amateur producers I’ve received permission to. Have I ever spun MP3’s? Apart from in my bedroom messing about with Traktor occationally, no.
These days I rarely Download singles, only use them to have a listen to tracks I’ve not heard and am curious about. I have a massive pot of singles that I’ve downloaded over time which I’m really considering deleting as I never listen to them.
EDIT: One thing I'd like to point out though, is that if you posted this in Music Discussion or COr, you'd get a drastically different response! :eek: |
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| djeternal2004 |
I do admit i download MP3s for evaluation purposes and seeing if a particular track i like is worth buying on vinyl.
Listening to 1 minute samples on online vinyl retailers of prospective tracks i am going to buy is not enough listening time, and more often than not the quality of these samples is poor and does not represent the final quality of the physical vinyl medium itself. So that is one of the reasons why i would download a 192kbps MP3.
Looking at my vinyl collection now since i started downloading EDM MP3s only proves that with my collection growing approximately 3 fold.
If i like the track a lot i will buy it on vinyl simple as that, whether it be 1 : week, month or year after hearing the MP3, I will support that artists work and but the vinyl or CD.
However i do spin the MP3s on my cd-djs in my bedroom. I like to see how the tracks mix with my other vinyl etc. Plus for practicing i like to have a reasonable library of tracks to mix with.. i dont see that there is anything wrong with that.
However when it comes to playing live i can only ever remember playing a downloaded track once and it was a very rare one which i still cannot to this day find on vinyl (digger - church of ra in case ure interested). Other than that, it has all been on vinyl.
And yes people do have a choice whether they download MP3s or not. Like it or not people do it everywhere, however legal it may or may not be. |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeternal2004
I do admit i download MP3s for evaluation purposes and seeing if a particular track i like is worth buying on vinyl.
Listening to 1 minute samples on online vinyl retailers of prospective tracks i am going to buy is not enough listening time, and more often than not the quality of these samples is poor and does not represent the final quality of the physical vinyl medium itself. So that is one of the reasons why i would download a 192kbps MP3.
Looking at my vinyl collection now since i started downloading EDM MP3s only proves that with my collection growing approximately 3 fold.
If i like the track a lot i will buy it on vinyl simple as that, whether it be 1 : week, month or year after hearing the MP3, I will support that artists work and but the vinyl or CD.
However i do spin the MP3s on my cd-djs in my bedroom. I like to see how the tracks mix with my other vinyl etc. Plus for practicing i like to have a reasonable library of tracks to mix with.. i dont see that there is anything wrong with that.
However when it comes to playing live i can only ever remember playing a downloaded track once and it was a very rare one which i still cannot to this day find on vinyl (digger - church of ra in case ure interested). Other than that, it has all been on vinyl.
And yes people do have a choice whether they download MP3s or not. Like it or not people do it everywhere, however legal it may or may not be. |
That's exactly what I do, and how I feel it should be done. |
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| Prodigy Child |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeternal2004
However when it comes to playing live i can only ever remember playing a downloaded track once and it was a very rare one which i still cannot to this day find on vinyl (digger - church of ra in case ure interested). Other than that, it has all been on vinyl. |
That just made me think, what should a person do, if they can't get a certain track on Vinyl or CD, but can find it as an MP3?.
and, what about if you download a mix from the producers section?, I know you should ask the remixer if you can spin it, but what about the person who originally made it, should you buy the track on Vinyl or CD, then be able to spin a remix of it?. |
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| Luke Terry |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Doctor
EDIT: One thing I'd like to point out though, is that if you posted this in Music Discussion or COr, you'd get a drastically different response![/COLOR] :eek: |
quite. it's interesting to see how defensive this has got in some ways already.
question: why would you download dj sammy anyways? lol
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| Revel |
| I only play tunes i have paid for, or have permission to play from the producer...like everyone should do. |
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| jwear2004 |
| at least atm I spin only vinyls, so it's all stuff that I have paid for myself. If I got cd players, however, I'd also probably start spinning stuff from the amateur producers forum. |
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| pumavisor808 |
kinda off topic question but....
why is it OK to play a bootleg record out but not a mp3?? They both are stealing from the original artist, so why do most people approve of using white labels?
I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson (or whoever) didn't give people permission to release remixes of their tracks.. So why does everyone approve of purchasing a bootleg vinyl and playing it at a club, but it's totally taboo to play an mp3?
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pumavisor808
kinda off topic question but....
why is it OK to play a bootleg record out but not a mp3?? They both are stealing from the original artist, so why do most people approve of using white labels?
I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson (or whoever) didn't give people permission to release remixes of their tracks.. So why does everyone approve of purchasing a bootleg vinyl and playing it at a club, but it's totally taboo to play an mp3?
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Yeah, it's still not right...but much more so. At least whoever made the track itself is being supported...even though the person he sampled isn't. When you play a downloaded mp3, no one benefits.
And you also have to realize that 99% of the time when you're bootlegging a track..it was usually very popular to begin with and probably already made a lot of money. The profits from a very limited run of vinyl wouldn't even be noticeable compared to the profits from the original track/album that's being bootlegged. What would michael jackson care about a couple hundred dollars (if that)? |
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| pumavisor808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by IntegraR0064
Yeah, it's still not right...but much more so. At least whoever made the track itself is being supported...even though the person he sampled isn't. When you play a downloaded mp3, no one benefits.
And you also have to realize that 99% of the time when you're bootlegging a track..it was usually very popular to begin with and probably already made a lot of money. The profits from a very limited run of vinyl wouldn't even be noticeable compared to the profits from the original track/album that's being bootlegged. What would michael jackson care about a couple hundred dollars (if that)? |
yeah, I understand what you're saying that it's not that much...
but it just seems that esp. w/ house music, 90% of the tracks I buy are white labels of some 70 or 80's track. The Real artists are not making any money off it, some remixer is making money but he stole the samples from the original artist.
If a DJ spins an mp3 @ a club, the dj will be making money, but not the original artist. It's kinda the same thing?
I'm not saying go out and spin all mp3s, but I don't see anything wrong w/ a few now and then as long as they are high quality. |
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