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How can we improve trance in Melbourne? (pg. 3)
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| webmeister |
| Remember the ITM 50 isn't a definitive ranking of skill, talent, consistency or anything else, it's just a popularity contest. Yes Jumping Jack is very talented and pretty consistent, but obviously other DJs have more people voting for them. People say this sort of stuff all the time about the DJ Mag Top 100, such and such should be ranked far higher, they're way better than the people ahead of them. Just remember the listed is ranking by popularity only. |
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| DaveBegic |
I'll tell you one thing, you've got it better than it has been for at least 4 years.
Since 2000, you were about as likely to find a trance night in Melbourne as you were to find Elvis Presley. Just ask Steve Strangis who, like me, at the time were busting our ballsacks to get gigs with absoloutely anyone.
Now look, you have Room, Viper Room, Altitude, showcasing promotion groups for 5am, Volume, Unify (I Beleive) all playing trance.
How you can sit there and act like we're unlucky is beyond me. |
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| Paulie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveBegic
I'll tell you one thing, you've got it better than it has been for at least 4 years.
Since 2000, you were about as likely to find a trance night in Melbourne as you were to find Elvis Presley. Just ask Steve Strangis who, like me, at the time were busting our ballsacks to get gigs with absoloutely anyone.
Now look, you have Room, Viper Room, Altitude, showcasing promotion groups for 5am, Volume, Unify (I Beleive) all playing trance.
How you can sit there and act like we're unlucky is beyond me. |
yep, like i said in my post the only thing maybe lacking in melbournes trance scene is probably unity, where you can have 1 big nite with all the different nites pooling their resources. A bit like 5am vs Unify if i remember correctly, which wasnt at all a bad nite. |
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| AJS1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulie
yep, like i said in my post the only thing maybe lacking in melbournes trance scene is probably unity, where you can have 1 big nite with all the different nites pooling their resources. A bit like 5am vs Unify if i remember correctly, which wasnt at all a bad nite. |
Word.
I reckon a big event, run only and dj'd only by the new school, (UNIFY, 5am, etc).. where each has it's own room and one combined room, say a prog to deep trance room, a harder trance to tech trance room, and one big euphoric room with elements from the other rooms to keep it diversse, would be an event to remember... as long as you could pull the people.. |
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| DaveBegic |
i agree and i disagree at the same time.
firstly, i agree that some sort of pooling between the top 3 trance organisers be done, but not at the level you speak of. i think that a good idea would be to run certain 'in conjunction with' bigger parties than the normally smaller parties put on by the mentioned promotion groups.
however, i do not feel that this should be a permenant thing only because competition is the only thing that makes us better ourselves. if it were one big trance night all the time then it would never get better because it would never need to out-do anyhting else. i take it as an approach of 'you put on an awesome party and then ill put on an even better party than you'. all too often this gets confused with having 'enemies'.. rather than competitors which it tends to get a little bit overdone.
what's needed is this common understanding between groups, at a business level, not some bitchy teenage crap that we see all too often. we're all in this for one love of music, and that's the approach i feel needs to be adopted.
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulie
yep, like i said in my post the only thing maybe lacking in melbournes trance scene is probably unity, where you can have 1 big nite with all the different nites pooling their resources. A bit like 5am vs Unify if i remember correctly, which wasnt at all a bad nite. |
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| batemanscott |
ok, I think I better clarify me point from before..
I'm not knocking the trance scene down here, nor am i saying in anyway that the scene we have is no good. I was asking why the most supported music in the world is behind the other genres in reagrds to numbers in clubs, frequency of events etc.
I love the scene here but just asking why it's behind the likes of NRG etc?
sorry if anybody read into this wrongly.. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
sheesh!
stop complaining all of you. move to hobart for 6 months, then go back to melbourne and realise how freakin lucky you really are. having to spend $100s of dollars this weekend to travel to melbourne just to see some good acts.
we're starved for trance down here. be thankful! |
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| DaveBegic |
simply because weekly trance nights will just not work in Melbourne. why? because we have no local exports in the genre, we have no signed artists, we have no international acclaim... yet.
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
ok, I think I better clarify me point from before..
I'm not knocking the trance scene down here, nor am i saying in anyway that the scene we have is no good. I was asking why the most supported music in the world is behind the other genres in reagrds to numbers in clubs, frequency of events etc.
I love the scene here but just asking why it's behind the likes of NRG etc?
sorry if anybody read into this wrongly.. |
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| 00soups00 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveBegic
simply because weekly trance nights will just not work in Melbourne. why? because we have no local exports in the genre, we have no signed artists, we have no international acclaim... yet. |
yet being the appropriate word.
it will happen, but first we need to sway the sheep/masses away from the hard-nrg e that gets pumped out.. its crap, and its quite simply drug music... lets not beat around the bush here.. whilst nrg might be good for a while, but head down to Hard Kandy.. and what do u see.. teenagers and young adults who have nfi what time it is, let alone what day or year.. they're F*#KCED out of their heads... I have also walked past HK's recently, and seen the lineup of people that now congregate to these kinda clubs, and really i think the trance scene is better off without these people attending our nights, because they are very shady and seedy looking characters. (no apologies for assumptions).
most people who enjoy trance, also enjoy breaks and prog, because they are lovers of electronic music or most of it in general, and not just lovers of the gurnering that ensues.. (even tho taht is still kinda fun).
I guess we're heading in the right direction, it just will require a bit of time for it to all develop into a full recognised scene like over in the netherlands or something.. i guess bringing trance to the masses is the only real way of acheiving that, and i guess slowly converting your rock-loving troglodite friends its afirst step in doing so.. I am beginning this with much sucess so far.
Step 1 is removing their pre-conceived judgements of trance, and this is pretty easy to do by playing them quality music. |
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| AJS1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
ok, I think I better clarify me point from before..
I'm not knocking the trance scene down here, nor am i saying in anyway that the scene we have is no good. I was asking why the most supported music in the world is behind the other genres in reagrds to numbers in clubs, frequency of events etc.
I love the scene here but just asking why it's behind the likes of NRG etc?
sorry if anybody read into this wrongly.. |
Like I said in my post earlier, it's because the majority of youngsters seem heel bent on either bettering one another all the time, looking the coolest, being the coolest and having a stuck up attitude, or simply fking themselves up cause they wanna live hard die young... hence the popularity of house and nrg and the crowds they attract. (i'm generalising, as there are good people in these groups), but they want to go out all the time to support their habits.
I think the trance and prog community also tend to sit around alot waiting for something to big happen before they get involved. Talking about this and that, and how things should be done, rather than doing them and supporting potential. Also i think for most of these people, clubbing etc is an option rather than a weekly neccesity which the house and nrg crowd seem to do.
Therefore until you get enough informed people in the city, more frequent events with better patronage, wont happen. You've got to have a 'base' of informed and willing people to draw from. It might just take time.. |
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| batemanscott |
| :rolleyes: well said............ |
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| jizza |
| quote: | Originally posted by 00soups00
yet being the appropriate word.
it will happen, but first we need to sway the sheep/masses away from the hard-nrg e that gets pumped out.. its crap, and its quite simply drug music... lets not beat around the bush here.. whilst nrg might be good for a while, but head down to Hard Kandy.. and what do u see.. teenagers and young adults who have nfi what time it is, let alone what day or year.. they're F*#KCED out of their heads... I have also walked past HK's recently, and seen the lineup of people that now congregate to these kinda clubs, and really i think the trance scene is better off without these people attending our nights, because they are very shady and seedy looking characters. (no apologies for assumptions).
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dont apologise for those assumptions, apologise for being a tool. |
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