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Israelis kill man in wheelchair (pg. 5)
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| caddyshack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
the behaviour the palestinians are exhibiting is the result of the affects of occupation. The vengeful culture that has grown from palestinian suffereing is the result of a brutality the ISraeli government has executed.
You bet my ass I would fight if an external force was systematically demolishing and "acccidentally" shooting men in wheel chairs. You bet there would be organized gangs like groups that would have so much hate they would kill anything and anyone who is part of that entity.
END THE OCCUPATION....STOP JUSTIFYING IT!!!!!
Flotser.. your zionist mentality makes me sick |
and you can BET MY ASS that if canada or mexico was terrorizing my country, just like the palestinians do to isreal, i'd have no problem with destroying the useless society they have become.
"acccidentally" shooting men in wheel chairs. <- that is such BS
what makes you think is wasn't acccidental? were you there? if i had to guess i'd say it was mistake because of all the crap they get for killing civilians. isreal gains nothing from killing a non-terrorist but takes much more heat, it doesn't make sense.
if you would use you brain things wouldn't be so difficult for you |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by caddyshack
and you can BET MY ASS that if canada or mexico was terrorizing my country, just like the palestinians do to isreal, i'd have no problem with destroying the useless society they have become.
"acccidentally" shooting men in wheel chairs. <- that is such BS
what makes you think is wasn't acccidental? were you there? if i had to guess i'd say it was mistake because of all the crap they get for killing civilians. isreal gains nothing from killing a non-terrorist but takes much more heat, it doesn't make sense.
if you would use you brain things wouldn't be so difficult for you |
I hate this childish "were you there...NO.. so dont comment attitude"
Ive SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES HOW BRUTAL THIS MILITARY IS.. i dont need a douche bag idiot zionist to help me understand the illegitemate 'justification' of occupation. Go watch some documentaries that ACTUALLY show you what this military has done. You are so washed out. You need a reality check
If Israel didnt take palestinian land, and subjected them to this harsh behaviour, maybe the arab, and maybe the world would stop hating them.
Have a nice day:) |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
putting aside all the huge progress because of some settelments?
"so what if we finally have a goverment. so what if we finnaly have a ligalized security force. so what if many of us are allowed to work inside israel now. so what if we even got a nice airport. so what if our independence is closer then ever. ISRAEL HASN'T STOPPED BUILDING SETTELMETS!!! RESUME THE INTIFADA!!! BLOW UP SOME BUSSES"
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what kinda logic is that?
land can be returned. people cant.
so yes, this is not a fight agaist occupation and not a fight for independence. its a fight for "we want things to be done our way and timeline or you guys gonna suffer".
maybe there are occasionts in which an "intifada" is neccesery - but thats not the one. |
"Some settlements"? The settlements are the biggest problem to the Palestinians. Settlement building is colonization, it's taking land from what could be a Palestinian state if negotiations survive, but if land is to be taken away, then how can there be a viable Palestinian state, and how can you call them negotiations in the first place? It's like you and I are negotiating over a cake that's put in front of us and while we talk and talk, I'm eating from the cake. The establishment of the PA, the airport, working inside Israel are simple things. The human rights situation in the territories were not improving. It's like me giving you a napkin to prepare for eating the cake but I don't hand you a fork and whenever you try to get one yourself, i slap you with one hand and take a piece of the cake with the other hand. (Again, I can't believe I'm going this far to explain this to you). Eventually you get fed up of my slaps, you slap me back and dig in. Then I take out a gun and shoot you. Then you strap bombs to yourself cuz you have no gun and blowyourself up and then I destroy your house for it.... Over a piece of cake. Why are we doing this to each other?! WHY CAN'T WE LOVE EACH OTHER AND SHARE THE GODDAM CHOCOLATE CAKE! I WANT CAKE!!
Dark, alluring and dangerously delicious.
Degree of difficulty: Low
You need:
CAKE
4 oz butter
2 eggs
6 oz caster sugar
1 1/2 Tablespoons cocoa
1/2 cup milk (although more is ususally required)
1 teaspoon vanilla essence
6 oz SR Flour
1 dessertspoon coffee essence
ARABIAN FROSTING
1 oz butter
6 oz icing sugar
1 teaspoon vanilla essence
1 dessertspon sherry
Method:
Cream the butter and sugar. In a seperate bowl beat the eggs well and add into the butter/sugar mixture.
Blend together the cocoa, milk, coffee and vanilla, and add this to the mixture.
Sift the flour three times and stir this lightly into the mixture.
Pour the mixture into a well greased ring tin.
Bake for 30-35 minutes in a moderate oven.
Turn out of the cake tin while hot.
Cool cake before frosting.
ARABIAN FROSTING
Soften (not melt) the butter, sift the icing sugar and cocoa into the butter, beat well.
Add the sherry and beat well.
Use a spatula or a butter knife to put the frosting on the cake |
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| Flotser |
thanx for the recipy soon my exams will be over and i'll make one :p
but the thing is, the cake was mine, i eared it after namerous of attemts in which you and your big friends used this cake to kill me. i took over the cake first thing to pretect myself...but couldnt resist from tasting it. but you kept negging about it :) so i understood that i need to give it back, (its original owner didnt want it so i meant giving it to you) so i started with giving you the napkin and limited (but growing) control over it. it was clear to any logic that in the end youll get your cake. i agree building settelments was like eating little peaces of the cake during the negotiations, but settelmets is only little peaces of the cake, i can use your recepy to bake those eaten parts again for you. it was realy difficult to stop my tasty habbit immidiatly because i had to gain trust in you first. but you saw this decision of mine as a weakness and decided this is the time to attack me and get the cake without fulfilling you part in our cake-deal. maybe at start you had self conflicts about it, but after i gave the lebanon cookie back you knew that you can get the cake the same way. the main problem is that the injuries i recieved from you can't be healed, but the little parts i ate can be baked by your recepy.
(i have to stop here or i gonna fail another stupid CS test now :( ) |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
"Some settlements"? The settlements are the biggest problem to the Palestinians. |
No its not. Its that type of pesimistic feeling that leads you to believe it. Settlements are not inheriently bad or good. Its what you make out of them. The Palestinians make them to be bad.
Instead of focusing past the issue saying, ok settlements are here lets talk and find ways to work around and get them out of needed they focus on the fact that "we can't talk or find ways to work around settlements unless they don't exist". With such a silly attitude it is no suprise the Palestinians have not achieve any success.
Sure settlements aren't the most welcome thing in the world for the Palestinians - but they could have been an inherient good too, a productive center of Palestinian society with highly-trained and skilled specialist binding the gap between Jews and Arabs. Instead of working with the Jews, accepting the 'foriegners' to the benifit of such a poor, uneducated nation, and exploiting the Jews to the greatest benifit of Palestinian society and need. They turn to kill, maim, and destroy every villager and every house. It comes as no surpise that these settlements will evolve into fortresses in short time.
The point here is that, this issue really isn't an issue. Its an issue if you make it an issue. If you don't want to make it an issue its not an issue. Nobody is getting killed because of the settlments. A house next door with a barbed-wire fence, although intimidating, does not kill you. Fences can be torn down (as we have seen) and houses can be destroyed (as Israel demonstrates to the Palestinians almost daily ;) ). What can not be replaced however is human life. The greatest challenge to the Palestinians it change their way of thought. Their obsense culture.
Realize you decide what to make out of an issue. Right now making an issue negative only emboldens fanatasism, it does not supress it. But this is what Palestinian society seems to strive for, so it is little to no suprise... |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
CAKE
4 oz butter
2 eggs
6 oz caster sugar
1 1/2 Tablespoons cocoa
1/2 cup milk (although more is ususally required)
1 teaspoon vanilla essence
6 oz SR Flour
1 dessertspoon coffee essence
ARABIAN FROSTING
1 oz butter
6 oz icing sugar
1 teaspoon vanilla essence
1 dessertspon sherry
Method:
Cream the butter and sugar. In a seperate bowl beat the eggs well and add into the butter/sugar mixture.
Blend together the cocoa, milk, coffee and vanilla, and add this to the mixture.
Sift the flour three times and stir this lightly into the mixture.
Pour the mixture into a well greased ring tin.
Bake for 30-35 minutes in a moderate oven.
Turn out of the cake tin while hot.
Cool cake before frosting.
ARABIAN FROSTING
Soften (not melt) the butter, sift the icing sugar and cocoa into the butter, beat well.
Add the sherry and beat well.
Use a spatula or a butter knife to put the frosting on the cake |
Hey, you know, this may well be the most constructive thing ever achieved on all the israeli-palestinian threads ever!!!! |
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| Goashem |
| me if this cake wont blow up when you cut it :D |
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| DJ Rat 187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
thanx for the recipy soon my exams will be over and i'll make one :p
but the thing is, the cake was mine, i eared it after namerous of attemts in which you and your big friends used this cake to kill me. i took over the cake first thing to pretect myself...but couldnt resist from tasting it. but you kept negging about it :) so i understood that i need to give it back, (its original owner didnt want it so i meant giving it to you) so i started with giving you the napkin and limited (but growing) control over it. it was clear to any logic that in the end youll get your cake. i agree building settelments was like eating little peaces of the cake during the negotiations, but settelmets is only little peaces of the cake, i can use your recepy to bake those eaten parts again for you. it was realy difficult to stop my tasty habbit immidiatly because i had to gain trust in you first. but you saw this decision of mine as a weakness and decided this is the time to attack me and get the cake without fulfilling you part in our cake-deal. maybe at start you had self conflicts about it, but after i gave the lebanon cookie back you knew that you can get the cake the same way. the main problem is that the injuries i recieved from you can't be healed, but the little parts i ate can be baked by your recepy.
(i have to stop here or i gonna fail another stupid CS test now :( ) |
More like you knocked him out with a brick then ate all the cake, stuffed him in a hole and chained him up. |
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| DJ Rat 187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I hate this childish "were you there...NO.. so dont comment attitude"
Ive SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES HOW BRUTAL THIS MILITARY IS.. i dont need a douche bag idiot zionist to help me understand the illegitemate 'justification' of occupation. Go watch some documentaries that ACTUALLY show you what this military has done. You are so washed out. You need a reality check
If Israel didnt take palestinian land, and subjected them to this harsh behaviour, maybe the arab, and maybe the world would stop hating them.
Have a nice day:) |
agreed
| quote: | Originally posted by caddyshack
and you can BET MY ASS that if canada or mexico was terrorizing my country, just like the palestinians do to isreal, i'd have no problem with destroying the useless society they have become.
"acccidentally" shooting men in wheel chairs. <- that is such BS
what makes you think is wasn't acccidental? were you there? if i had to guess i'd say it was mistake because of all the crap they get for killing civilians. isreal gains nothing from killing a non-terrorist but takes much more heat, it doesn't make sense.
if you would use you brain things wouldn't be so difficult for you |
Say hello to logic, for every action there is a reaction, ignorant boob  |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Rat 187
More like you knocked him out with a brick then ate all the cake, stuffed him in a hole and chained him up. |
maybe its true today, but
was it like that during the period of Oslo agreements until the intifada?
and if palestinains were treated like you say during this period - the PLO is responsible for it. the land was "reoccupied" only durng the intifada. |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
No its not. Its that type of pesimistic feeling that leads you to believe it. Settlements are not inheriently bad or good. Its what you make out of them. The Palestinians make them to be bad.
Instead of focusing past the issue saying, ok settlements are here lets talk and find ways to work around and get them out of needed they focus on the fact that "we can't talk or find ways to work around settlements unless they don't exist". With such a silly attitude it is no suprise the Palestinians have not achieve any success.
Sure settlements aren't the most welcome thing in the world for the Palestinians - but they could have been an inherient good too, a productive center of Palestinian society with highly-trained and skilled specialist binding the gap between Jews and Arabs. Instead of working with the Jews, accepting the 'foriegners' to the benifit of such a poor, uneducated nation, and exploiting the Jews to the greatest benifit of Palestinian society and need. They turn to kill, maim, and destroy every villager and every house. It comes as no surpise that these settlements will evolve into fortresses in short time.
The point here is that, this issue really isn't an issue. Its an issue if you make it an issue. If you don't want to make it an issue its not an issue. Nobody is getting killed because of the settlments. A house next door with a barbed-wire fence, although intimidating, does not kill you. Fences can be torn down (as we have seen) and houses can be destroyed (as Israel demonstrates to the Palestinians almost daily ;) ). What can not be replaced however is human life. The greatest challenge to the Palestinians it change their way of thought. Their obsense culture.
Realize you decide what to make out of an issue. Right now making an issue negative only emboldens fanatasism, it does not supress it. But this is what Palestinian society seems to strive for, so it is little to no suprise... |
We never said we can't talk. We will talk tonight if Sharon accepts. This has always been the PA's position. Barak broke off talks and then Sharon refused to talk until today while we keep inviting them to talk.
Settlements can never be inherently good. Let's bulldoze your home, confiscate the land, and build a Palestinian colony over it and then tell you it could be good for you if you think about it. What nonsense is this. Settlements also take the best of the land with the best resources. Do you know what it's like to be in a refugee camp then look up at the hills and see first class Israeli homes built on where you used to live? Moreover, the settlers are armed and have killed Palestinians in the past, and some even have their own extremist groups like Gush Emunim in Hebron. Settlements house the most extreme and religious Zionist Jews of Israel that believe Palestinians should be expelled, 'transferred'. Settlements violate the 4th Geneva Conventions I think it was Article 49 that states the Occupier shall not transfer parts of its population into Occupied land. Settlements are the biggest problem and if they're not removed, nothing will be solved. |
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