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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
a vote for the Lieberals is a vote for corruption
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/1...donations040510
Manitoba First Nations donated thousands of dollars to Liberal party
Last Updated Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:37:50
WINNIPEG - The Liberal party accepted political donations of thousands of dollars from impoverished native bands in Manitoba – federal tax money that critics say could have been put to better use delivering services on reserves.
* INDEPTH: First Nations
Elections Canada's contributions database shows that between 2000 and 2002 the federal Liberals received several thousand dollars from some Manitoba First Nations bands, according to a CBC analysis.
* FROM DEC. 12, 2003: Ottawa announces party funding
The Manitoba band that contributed the most to Liberal coffers was the Norway House Cree Nation, which gave more than $10,000.
The chief of the Norway House band, Ron Evans, ran for the Liberals in 2000 and is running for the party this time around in the Churchill riding. The president of the Churchill Liberal Riding Association is also a Norway House band administrator.
Norway House band councillor Marcel Balfour criticized the donations as an inappropriate use of the money.
"[With] the situation Norway House is in right now – with our high unemployment and lack of housing, and problems with youth violence – I think the $10,000 could have gone somewhere else other than [to] the Liberal party," he said.
"I wasn't aware there was $10,000 going to the Liberal party from band funds," Balfour added.
But Evans said there was nothing wrong with making the donations. He explained that most of them came in the form of buying seats at Liberal fundraisers.
* FROM DEC. 9, 2003: Martin fundraiser to help party's debt
Evans argues the money got the band access to cabinet ministers, and ultimately made things better for the people of Norway House.
Norway House wasn't the only First Nation to donate money to the Liberals during 2000-2002.
Elections Canada said Peguis First Nation gave the Liberals about $3,000, while Berens River First Nation donated about $5,000.
Ottawa gives money to First Nations for services such as policing and housing on reserves. There were no restrictions on donations at the time they were made.
There is no data available for donations since 2002, but as of this year, native bands can no longer make political donations.
Written by CBC News Online staff |
Honestly, I am native american and full status and president of the University of waterloo native students association. This post means nothing. Honestly, aboriginals know what is at stake in this election. The conservatives hate aboriginals they make it clear all the time. Harris blatantly said that he did not want to bow to downt to natives and that ing flannagin a aborignal critic on aboriginal affiars has written a whole book and what would effectivly be stripping aboriginals of what little rights we now have. So you take this stupid right wing hate media and stuff it about your arse, as I know in my community we would cheerfully spend 40 percent of our budget on ensuring that the conservatives dont get it as they will bloodyw well build concentration camps for us if they had the chance.
Ask some natives about what they think about the conservatives and how thier money is spent.
I hate the liberals but voting conservative is not right ethier.
All power to the NDP is my feeling. but in a contest between bankers party A by that I mean the tories and bankers party B by that I mean the liberals i would chose the liberals. They at least have to pretend to have some concern for aborignals. The tories have a vested interest in not bowing down to us apparently as well outright killing us a illustrated by dudley george.
So ya
also where the hell was the burning flag you twat?
get a grip mate
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| Jayx1 |
What little rights?
Arent you tax exempt and a party to billions in subsidies every year?
i wish i could say the same! |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
What little rights?
Arent you tax exempt and a party to billions in subsidies every year?
i wish i could say the same! |
oh you are one of those types
Here i think you and this man should have a chat very similar ideas |
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| Fir3start3r |
What the are you talking about??
There wasn't any flames anywhere...:rolleyes:
Yur wacked...:crazy:
Scare tactics...the oldest form of politicing there is...:rolleyes: |
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| Jayx1 |
One of "those types"?
If one of those types means someone who questions the status quo then yes im one of those types. Just because someone openly questions the system does not make them racist, sexist, or whatever other label. This is exactly how people shut down debate when their way of inequality is threatened by people who question it. I find your comparison of me (someone who is only questioning the way the government deals with an issue) to Stalin who killed millions of people HIGHLY OFFENSIVE and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Get real man... seriously.. |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
One of "those types"?
If one of those types means someone who questions the status quo then yes im one of those types. Just because someone openly questions the system does not make them racist, sexist, or whatever other label. This is exactly how people shut down debate when their way of inequality is threatened by people who question it.
Get real man... seriously.. |
Jayx1, how do you question the status quo and the system? Please offer examples because all I hear is you offering up a big pile of nothing.
The only thing you even said in this thread was about how envious you are of native Canadians and their special perks. Have you ever spent time on reserves and seen how absolutely hopeless the people are? So many of them are alcoholics its not even funny. I'll take my taxes any day over having to endure the life that many native's have to.
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| Jayx1 |
I dont believe in reserves for one. I believe that natives can manitain their culture and integrate with the rest of society. This is how we maintain other multicultralism isnt it? I dont believe in all these tax breaks just because someone is native. This policy is completely outdated. Also, I will not be made to feel guilty for the past. Lands change hands throughout history through war and land treaties.
WHats going on right now is a complete shame. Natives trapped on reserves completely dependent on government handouts. No wonder alcoholism is rampant! Why not put money into helping self sustaining communities instead of permanant welfare? There are many many success stories of natives off the reserve who have made a good life for themselves. Reserves are an embarrasment to everyone. Davis Inlet comes to mind here.
Keeping native traditions is very important but right now i feel Canada is being held hostage to feeling guilty for the past.
Please tell me why natives cant maintain their culture as regular taxpaying citizens just as everyone else seems to be able to? |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I dont believe in reserves for one. I believe that natives can manitain their culture and integrate with the rest of society. This is how we maintain other multicultralism isnt it? I dont believe in all these tax breaks just because someone is native. This policy is completely outdated. Also, I will not be made to feel guilty for the past. Lands change hands throughout history through war and land treaties.
WHats going on right now is a complete shame. Natives trapped on reserves completely dependent on government handouts. No wonder alcoholism is rampant! Why not put money into helping self sustaining communities instead of permanant welfare? There are many many success stories of natives off the reserve who have made a good life for themselves. Reserves are an embarrasment to everyone. Davis Inlet comes to mind here.
Keeping native traditions is very important but right now i feel Canada is being held hostage to feeling guilty for the past.
Please tell me why natives cant maintain their culture as regular taxpaying citizens just as everyone else seems to be able to? |
;)| quote: | | Originally posted by swilly |
" I dont believe in all these tax breaks just because someone is native. This policy is completely outdated. Also, I will not be made to feel guilty for the past.Lands change hands throughout history through war and land treaties"
exactly!!. I agree 200 percent. You should not have to feel guility. Lets abolish the tax exempt status and free education and the reservations. Since those treaties were based on us not paying taxes and us getting free university in exchange for the land etc... and since that is the just way in which it occured and as also we dont want society feeling guilty, if you want to stop the tax exempt then give back the land.
It does not get to go both ways where we lose the land and we lose our tax exempt. In an agreement Ie if you dont want the car, you take it back to the dealer and you get your money back. Thus as we signed over the land for tax exempt and other benefits our land will have to be returned. I am 100 percent supportive of your idea of elminating outdated policies. I actually would trade my tax exempt and education for the land my people traded.
That land being the whole of the GTA and virtually all of southern ontario. You can get your taxes back that you lost in our education and we can pay taxes and we can all be equal. That and we can get back all the land we once owned and establish private property and charge you and every other person from sudbury south rent!!!!!
I agree lets do it the native can be an examplar of the capitalist system you can keep your houses, we can charge rent to every peace of private property from hamilton to kingston and to sudbury in the north to windsor in the west, and that is only my tribe!
I agree lets abolish the tax exempt and reservations I would like to be a landlord. hell maybe me and you can start a movement. I will give you the value of my taxes for the year and you can give me 30,000 per year for rent. It can be a grassroots movement and through our actions others will see the validity of it and we can change the system and help society rectify thier feelings of guilt for the aboriginal. I for one would not want society to feel bad about what happened. So lets end the silly deal our ancestors made. Perhaps it was foolish originally, just return the land and we will all feel better.
I will PM you my bank details and you can make rent payments in the amount of 2500 per month.
A new day in race relations has been estabilished new progess and new directions. Only in multicultural canada.
PS i will PM everyone else on here my bank details later for thier rent. Due on the 1st of every month or you are out!!!
HAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAH
I love capitalism
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| Jayx1 |
yeah good luck with that LOL!
You know, if the whole world shared your views the US would be paying rent to Mexico, the Israelis would be paying rent to the Palestinians and the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire would be paying rent to the Anglicans and so on and so on.. |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
yeah good luck with that LOL!
You know, if the whole world shared your views the US would be paying rent to Mexico, the Israelis would be paying rent to the Palestinians and the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire would be paying rent to the Anglicans and so on and so on.. |
one big difference there was no signed agreements or treaties with any of those groups. There was with aboriginals. You should read up more on the subject you will find that the western notion of " the white man coming and dominating the aborginal" was not present to any extent in canada. In the war of 1812 we represented over 50 percent of the troops. We would be singing the star spangled fiasco right now if it was not for great leaders like tecumseh and black hawk.
The so called pattern of imperialism that you see in movies from Yankistan was not in canada. There was more so a pattern of treaties alliances and so on.
Read up more on the subject and you will see why have our exempt status and why if you want to elminate the tax exempt you will have to give back the land.
Why do you think we have had it this long?
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| Jayx1 |
I agree. Natives have been a very important, and often ignored part of our history. As for the treaties, look what happens when you are the nice guy... You end up getting ed.
English Canada is the eternal whipping boy. We let the french retain their culture, it haunts us 300 years later. Same thing with the natives i suppose.
The real answer is that we are all here and we all need to get along in our common society as equals. "Give back our land" yet guess who will be the first to ask for handouts from Canada for that land when the land and population size is not sustainable for a robust economy. |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I agree. Natives have been a very important, and often ignored part of our history. As for the treaties, look what happens when you are the nice guy... You end up getting ed.
English Canada is the eternal whipping boy. We let the french retain their culture, it haunts us 300 years later. Same thing with the natives i suppose.
The real answer is that we are all here and we all need to get along in our common society as equals. "Give back our land" yet guess who will be the first to ask for handouts from Canada for that land when the land and population size is not sustainable for a robust economy. |
i dont know i think we would be able to support a pretty strong economy just on rent payments alone. Also we should still be part of canada we would just be the largest property owners.
Also we dont want to be part of this society. We want autonomey. I think that as canada is a federation we should be given a semi autonmous state. Much like member states in the EU.
But that is just my opinion
sorry about the stalin comment i thought i was funny |
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