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| Jayx1 |
| semi autonomous? So basically hand over the money but dont tell us what to do? Nope sorry that will never sit well. As for rent payments? Its never going to happen 300 year old treaty or not. I dont think even pacifist Canadians would stand by and allow this to happen. |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
i'm voting green, so end of story. |
Me too;) |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
semi autonomous? So basically hand over the money but dont tell us what to do? Nope sorry that will never sit well. As for rent payments? Its never going to happen 300 year old treaty or not. I dont think even pacifist Canadians would stand by and allow this to happen. |
Also on the semi autonmous part it would be asking no more then what provinces get. We are much a part of the creation of this nation as they are. We defended ontario from the Yanks when alberta was just grass and trees and what was left of the buffalo
ahhh so you are of the belief then that we should let you keep the(land) we sold you and give you back the money(tax exempt etc..). That will never sell with us ethier, we would be stupid to accept and canadians would be blatently stupid to ask such a thing. Which is why this subject should just be dropped. You dont have to feel guilty but I also dont have to listen to why our rights should be removed.
They are there and they are there for a reason. We were founding members of this nation and were here long before this nation or the queen could say pour us a cup of tea or the empire. So the tax exempt is here to stay and our other benefits and we dont get our land back. I promise not to complain about land appropiation if you dont complain about our traditional rights. Thus we can move on as the seperate nations that we were in the past and are today.
cest la vie |
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| Jayx1 |
Why not just be part of Canada and maintain your original culture as well? WHy do there have to be 2 seperate nations?? If people are this hellbent on maintaining their culture i suggest taking the mennonite route and stop using any technology that has been developed since the arrival of the white man. After all, that is what the native community wants right? A distinct country like before the arrive of the queen and her tea right?
Lets face reality. Canada is Canada. Natives were here first, yes. Natives are a part of this country and it history, yes.
But now we have the present day reality that sees people here from all over the world. We have a very successful society which is more and more becoming multicultural. We now have an environment where natives could function as well heeled individuals and still maintain their language and traditions and folklore.
IMO all native rights are are a seizure of money and power. Its the same thing as quebec sovereignty. Lets play up the tragedies of the past and a little nationalism to milk the system for what its worth today.
Hey, i cant blame anyone who is willing to walk all over Canadian society to get a little extra. If we are that stupid we deserve it. All im saying is that i dont buy into it myself. |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Why not just be part of Canada and maintain your original culture as well? WHy do there have to be 2 seperate nations?? If people are this hellbent on maintaining their culture i suggest taking the mennonite route and stop using any technology that has been developed since the arrival of the white man. After all, that is what the native community wants right? A distinct country like before the arrive of the queen and her tea right?
Lets face reality. Canada is Canada. Natives were here first, yes. Natives are a part of this country and it history, yes.
But now we have the present day reality that sees people here from all over the world. We have a very successful society which is more and more becoming multicultural. We now have an environment where natives could function as well heeled individuals and still maintain their language and traditions and folklore.
IMO all native rights are are a seizure of money and power. Its the same thing as quebec sovereignty. Lets play up the tragedies of the past and a little nationalism to milk the system for what its worth today.
Hey, i cant blame anyone who is willing to walk all over Canadian society to get a little extra. If we are that stupid we deserve it. All im saying is that i dont buy into it myself. |
whats your ethnic backround? I want to know this before I answer any further questions? |
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| Jayx1 |
| Im not native. why does it matter otherwise? |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Im not native. why does it matter otherwise? |
because if you are say british or french or german or chinese or indian or whatever you have a home country or state to look back at as a source of pride. All the natives have is thier reservations. Even places like wales and scotland are getting more autonomous status with thier parliments. The natives dont want to move forward with society and integrate as we would like to have our own state and then pick and choose how we fit in society like recent migrants do in this society. Forced intergration is not something we want nor would any other ethnicity. Thus I ask your backround because unless you are basque or kurdish or maori or other groups you dont understand. We want an independant state to govern ourselves and look to as a source of strength in the motherland much like how many europeans can here. Then from there we can decide how we should work in canada. Just becoming part of the cultural milieux without a cultural centre is not desireable. Everyone claims cultural integration but.. soon as the eurocup comes out we see the sources of pride and indentification that are present in the various ethnic groups and thier home nations. Natives only want something similar, a geographic area we can look at as being home.
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| Jayx1 |
| Well if independence is what is wanted then if you get it, dont expect a dime from Canadian taxpayers. Get your own currency, military, postal system etc etc. None of this soveriegnty by association. Its all or nothing. |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Well if independence is what is wanted then if you get it, dont expect a dime from Canadian taxpayers. Get your own currency, military, postal system etc etc. None of this soveriegnty by association. Its all or nothing. |
well I am glad that the federal government of jayx1 has spoken on this matter. I guess we dont need to do that study or send the proposal into the governer general now.
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| Jayx1 |
| Thats my opinion, all or nothing... as for what actually happens, im sure canada will take it up the ass like we usually do.. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Well if independence is what is wanted then if you get it, dont expect a dime from Canadian taxpayers. Get your own currency, military, postal system etc etc. None of this soveriegnty by association. Its all or nothing. |
Some I actually agree on lol! :p
They can't have their cake and eat it too... |
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