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Cheese actually hurting the trance scene
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| lachieslats |
Every now and then I'll come across something in Mixmag (not that its a great mag) or elsewhere that will speak of how cheese has crucified the trance scene, that it has been responsible for much of the relative demise of trance in recent years.
So, do you think that if cheese was totally wiped out that the trance scene would be improved? That people that have a limited knowledege of trance hear cheese and hate it, so that they figure that all trance is ? |
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| Sand Leaper |
| That question cannot be answered, as your definition of cheese is not the same as another guy's definition. For instance, some people here say that Oceanlab - Satellite is cheese, while others love it to bits. |
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| aspergian |
Hey, you know, there's always gonna be something called "cheese". A lot of matters of perspective and culture (be that culture in the traditional geographic sense, or newer, urban sub-cultures that have evolved more recently) gets people seeing the same things in different ways.
If we killed all present "cheese", whatever filling that void would be "the new cheese". Fromage would seep and leak into all of those cracks and reestablish a chokehold on the citizens. Even "underground" trance is looked upon unfavorably by, for example, some IDM/braindance devotees.
I don't understand the term "cheese" myself, so I'm just going with the commonly accepted definition.
Mixmag and Ministry and other mags have heralded "the death of [insert style name here]" numerous times. The trumpets keep playing but where are the coffins?
The problem isn't so much in what music is out there -- there's MORE THAN ENOUGH for everyone -- but it lies in things like sorting out the good stuff you'll personally enjoy, and opening yourself up to new things. After awhile, you tend to get jaded. I know I was a technosnob for some time myself.
Like the tide, comes and goes.
Don't forget, Britney Spears is the hottest underground artist on some exotic island out there with wind-up radios. :) |
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| aspergian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
That question cannot be answered, as your definition of cheese is not the same as another guy's definition. For instance, some people here say that Oceanlab - Satellite is cheese, while others love it to bits. |
Case in point, exactly! :D
Either way, it's such a dumb misnomer... cheese can contribute to a healthy diet. |
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| lachieslats |
I'm talking about mainstream cheese, stuff that is quite clearly cheesey and is heard by the masses.
eg. DJ Sammy |
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| lachieslats |
| quote: | Originally posted by aspergian
Case in point, exactly! :D
Either way, it's such a dumb misnomer... cheese can contribute to a healthy diet. |
I'm not saying i dont listen to the odd cheesey tune here and there, my point is, do you think that this music is actually detrimental to the industry because it gives people a false perception of the trance scene in general |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by lachieslats
I'm talking about mainstream cheese, stuff that is quite clearly cheesey and is heard by the masses.
eg. DJ Sammy |
Well see, many people nowadays look at all uplifting trance in the way you just described. There is no such thing as a universal cheese definition, and thus your question cannot be answered. |
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| lachieslats |
| Would you compare DJ Sammy to PvD and Tiesto? |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by lachieslats
Would you compare DJ Sammy to PvD and Tiesto? |
No, but to many they'd still all be cheesy. |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
No, but to many they'd still all be cheesy. |
hmmm....but let's say that from the perspective of average, knowledgable still-trance-fans (not like some TA's that insist on having moved forward cos "prog is the now") you could find a consensus, or at least a least common denominator on "cheese". And that would exclude controversial dj's and producers and cover only super-ultra-harcore-ear-bleeding-cheese-cheese. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
hmmm....but let's say that from the perspective of average, knowledgable still-trance-fans (not like some TA's that insist on having moved forward cos "prog is the now") you could find a consensus, or at least a least common denominator on "cheese". And that would exclude controversial dj's and producers and cover only super-ultra-harcore-ear-bleeding-cheese-cheese. |
I doubt very much that that would be doable in reality, but even if it worked that would make no difference, because heaps of "established" producers/tracks/djs are still regarded as cheese by many. (Armin, Above & Beyond and Airbase come to mind)
Besides, we're talking about the general picture of trance among EDM fans in general, and there won't be any change to that if we just include the knowledgeable still-trance-fans. |
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| lachieslats |
I'm talking about mainstream commercial pop cheesey crap like DJ SAMMY! argh! lol
not that is kinda obscure, but still sort of cheesey |
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