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what is a popular trend these days (pg. 5)
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
According to you? lol |
Well you defined something that was opinion really? How can you define something if its what you think it is, rather than what it really is. I wasnt the one pointing out definitions that were merely opinions and trying to pass them off as some sort of fact.
Then why is it bothering you that being a single, white, christian, male who is well educated, and well dress is the un-cool thing to do? For someone who preaches confidence, you sure do care about what obviously "morons" think about you. Unless you were being un-christian like in becoming a well educatied, well dressed single white successful male, but thats a whole nother story? |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Also, I hate when people point out certain instances where they make religion seem like the only best possible way. It is one way, but not the only way that a person can be healed emotionally or spiritually. |
True that. I use alcohol more than the Bible, Ill admit. But i think some kind of spiritualism is present in most peoples lives, whether its avoiding walking under ladders, or not going into the woods at night, or believing in God. Many levels, but i think people want to be spooked about something they cant define in life :D and be made happy by something like that as well. Love tends to fulfill that purpose nicely, and many people cant find a suitable mate. So why not find an entity with everything youd want, and love it?
I cant say they are right or wrong, happiness is paramount, but I do believe in a certain moral code. Uhm, not gonna do the religion debate though :D Ive already done that for two years here hehe. Im solid on it. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by guster
Those ass-ugly skirts with all the pleats that girls are wearing, trucker hats, and around my town, the prick high schoolers are starting to wear '60s floral shirts and have started listening to Bob Dylan because someone in the upper-echelon of their ranks decided that Dylan is now "cool". |
ok... everything you just said is not "hip", it is "fashionable" and girls tend to wear "fashionable" clothing... which the above imo makes a girl look like a trashy skank with little to no personal initiative and a low self esteem. she believes that she will look better if she dresses the way the sexah skankah bitches in magazines dress... WRONG! you look like a skank who needs sex and you dont need slutty clothes to get a guy - if you're good looking you'll get a root. simple as that. dressing the way that every other 17/18/19 year old model dresses just makes you look like a en sheep.
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
generalizations help us move through life :D
I dont know if youve ever seen someone die, or seen an animal dying, you just get this instant gut feeling that this is WRONG. Gayness does that to me. I have had gay friends, co workers , etc... they are out there and fun a lot of times.
Its not all "gut instinct" though.
Im not going to really get into this, cuz its not the point, but while a lot of people think its Not Wrong, they seldom say HOMOSEXUALITY IS RIGHT! whats right about it? Love? I love dogs, doesnt mean im sexually attracted to them.
Also, on the religious level, the man/woman relationship has been thoroughly defined.
on a social level i think that paternalness and maternalness cant be faked, or superceded by any convention. Not to say there arent bad parents and role models in the straight community, but I dont think its really an argument on whats better for society.
maybe there is. I dont really care. I think its dead wrong, and I dont support it. I support the people who have to go through the alienating, lonely, and scary world of a homosexual, however. It aint an easy life, and I dont believe in making it more difficult for them.
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Motivation is a tool. Thats like saying guns are evil.
youre first thought was about how its a weapon and it kills people. It also can be used to hunt and provide for a family.
People are good and evil, and they use tools to those ends. |
Ill start with the Gun generalization, I am sure a rifle can be an excellent tool used for hunting and providing for ones family, but what purpose does and Uzi or an AK-47 provide for such things? They do not, they serve the purpose of mass killing and destruction, nothing more. Guns are evil by nature because they are weapons used for pain and death, and most of them are not used for hunting for food, atleast not in this day and age.
As for the homosexual discussion, as I said in a different thread, Marriage is a man made word, not a God made word. Meaning, if one does not believe in your religion, why must it follow your religious definition of what you feel marriage is? and please, I hate the whole slippery slope anology of loving dogs or ponies and comparing it with gays, its just way too stupid. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Then why is it bothering you that being a single, white, christian, male who is well educated, and well dress is the un-cool thing to do? For someone who preaches confidence, you sure do care about what obviously "morons" think about you. Unless you were being un-christian like in becoming a well educatied, well dressed single white successful male, but thats a whole nother story? |
I define cool :D
Technically there is no logical coherence in your paragraph there. Its called loose association. There is no logical progression from premise to conclusion.
Example:
Its mainstream "cool" to be ______
therefore I hate being not ______?
Thats inferring quite a bit there. And by inferring i mean assuming.
Im happy no matter how much I fit in. I have an active social life, and am generally looked up to as a role model and counselor by peers and, more generally, any one who actually knows me. I have experience, intelligence, and compassion. It tends to put me in the leadership role a lot, and as someone who has had to watch people being miserable and desperately trying to "fit in" those would be some of the problems ( the aforementioned lists)
Trying to hard to be someone you arent, is un cool. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
I define cool :D
Technically there is no logical coherence in your paragraph there. Its called loose association. There is no logical progression from premise to conclusion.
Example:
Its mainstream "cool" to be ______
therefore I hate being not ______?
Thats inferring quite a bit there. And by inferring i mean assuming.
Im happy no matter how much I fit in. I have an active social life, and am generally looked up to as a role model and counselor by peers and, more generally, any one who actually knows me. I have experience, intelligence, and compassion. It tends to put me in the leadership role a lot, and as someone who has had to watch people being miserable and desperately trying to "fit in" those would be some of the problems ( the aforementioned lists)
Trying to hard to be someone you arent, is un cool. |
No no, I wasnt assuming that last line on you, I was only pointing towards other non christian like successful males, who pride themselves in being religious but obviously not acting loving and caring as a religious person really should be doing. I wont name names, but I think you get the picture of what I was pointing at. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Ill start with the Gun generalization, I am sure a rifle can be an excellent tool used for hunting and providing for ones family, but what purpose does and Uzi or an AK-47 provide for such things? They do not, they serve the purpose of mass killing and destruction, nothing more. Guns are evil by nature because they are weapons used for pain and death, and most of them are not used for hunting for food, atleast not in this day and age. |
That actually doesnt work. Gun:A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
now, just because people dont use AKs for hunting, doesnt mean they couldnt. You are, again, blaming humans misdeeds on the tools they are using.
Pain and Death would actually be more natural to a non-religious person, because everything would die, if nothing else ever did. Unless you believe in the Garden of Eden
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As for the homosexual discussion, as I said in a different thread, Marriage is a man made word, not a God made word. Meaning, if one does not believe in your religion, why must it follow your religious definition of what you feel marriage is? and please, I hate the whole slippery slope anology of loving dogs or ponies and comparing it with gays, its just way too stupid. |
I believe I stated my intentions on that argument quite well. I mentioned religion in there, but I mainly stated that I had a "human instinct" that didnt like that idea. You can cut that either way you want, and ignore some of the questions surrounding the issue, but to pass anti-homosexuality as something that only religion could have spawned is ridiculous. If indeed, all religion is man made as you imply, than the anti-homosexuality is also manmade. Therefore man would be the one judging the action, and youd have to wonder why so many agree. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
That actually doesnt work. Gun:A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
now, just because people dont use AKs for hunting, doesnt mean they couldnt. You are, again, blaming humans misdeeds on the tools they are using.
Pain and Death would actually be more natural to a non-religious person, because everything would die, if nothing else ever did. Unless you believe in the Garden of Eden
I believe I stated my intentions on that argument quite well. I mentioned religion in there, but I mainly stated that I had a "human instinct" that didnt like that idea. You can cut that either way you want, and ignore some of the questions surrounding the issue, but to pass anti-homosexuality as something that only religion could have spawned is ridiculous. If indeed, all religion is man made as you imply, than the anti-homosexuality is also manmade. Therefore man would be the one judging the action, and youd have to wonder why so many agree. |
You would hunt with an AK-47 and load an animal full of bullets just before you would eat him? Either way, certain guns cant be used for hunting, and they are only created for killing other humans in war, which doesnt really make them all too "family friendly" in my books.
I have no idea what your talking about the pain and death thing, are you saying a religious person finds a gun less painful or a less definate cause of death than a non-religious perosn? less natural? I dunno, funny choice of words.
Well what is human instinct? I never knew that we all had agreed that it was human instinct to abolish homosexuality (or that soooo many of us agree on that). I always thought that there were certain human instincts in all of us, like self-preservation, or the giving of ones love to others, that was what instinct was, but you cant define something that is un-definable, so that puts its merely at a stalemate of what I believe is a difference of our opinion on what is natural, and what is not.
Lastly, Religions are man-made, in the likeness of what he believes God has or would of translated...I mean after such a long time, you would think some sort of broken telephone happened inbetween all these prophets and scripture writers. |
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| guster |
I dunno.. you could easily hunt with the civilian-legal AK47s and M16s just because they're semi-automatic. This gun, however, is insane. Supposedly it'll take down a bear.
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| NomadaNare |
| Call me cliche here, but I try not to worry about what's hip and what's not. If i do something, it's because i like it. If it happens to be in, then cool. If not, then oh well. It's kind of weird because i was caught up in "what will other people think?" stage for a while until i grew more confident. As I observe the changing of trends, I always see the people trying so hard not to follow the trend becoming it and then they have to change their positions on everything again just to be different. It's kinda weird. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
You would hunt with an AK-47 and load an animal full of bullets just before you would eat him? Either way, certain guns cant be used for hunting, and they are only created for killing other humans in war, which doesnt really make them all too "family friendly" in my books.
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again, just because a man creates something with an intention of its use, doesnt mean it has to be used in that way. A hammer might have been originally invnted for killing (war hammers existed, brutal weapon) but they are now used for things from bird houses to sky scrapers.
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I have no idea what your talking about the pain and death thing, are you saying a religious person finds a gun less painful or a less definate cause of death than a non-religious perosn? less natural? I dunno, funny choice of words.
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Im saying that a garden of eden life had no pain and death and hunting wasnt needed. Pain and death are a part of the chain of life. I would say that getting eaten alive by Hyenas is less pleasant than getting a shot through your brain or heart.
[quote]Well what is human instinct? I never knew that we all had agreed that it was human instinct to abolish homosexuality (or that soooo many of us agree on that). I always thought that there were certain human instincts in all of us, like self-preservation, or the giving of ones love to others, that was what instinct was, but you cant define something that is un-definable, so that puts its merely at a stalemate of what I believe is a difference of our opinion on what is natural, and what is not.
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exactly. I put "human instinct" in quotes because it wasnt a precise term, and one that when used, is generally misunderstood. Some people think its wrong, some people think its not wrong. My point is that few people tout it as "right" or something that everyone should be or do. I like taking ideas to the extremes to show their potential.
"what if everyone did this"
i am aware it doesnt always work, because diversity is one of the things that helps amalgamate humanity, in the end. However. I still think that a certain level of universal morals can be applied.
Ok, CS Lewis did something that was interesting. It was about arguing moral issues. Now, is what shoes you wear a moral issue? No. What about what shoes you wear to a funeral? yes. What changed?
are suicide, compassion, eating fruit, spanking babies, sex with minors, doing drugs, drinking water, etc.. moral issues? What makes them so? How is it that you INSTANTLY know whats a moral issue and what isnt?
This is what I refer to as "human instinct" on one level at least.
| quote: | | Lastly, Religions are man-made, in the likeness of what he believes God has or would of translated...I mean after such a long time, you would think some sort of broken telephone happened inbetween all these prophets and scripture writers. |
Unless God was the go between. it ends up being a point that cant be proven at this time. Plus "Even if I wrote my name in the stars people still wouldnt believe" goes the other way too. Even if someone "disproved" the Bible or God, most wouldnt change their minds.
that would be something Id call the "Human Condition" :p |
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| guster |
| quote: | Originally posted by NomadaNare
Call me cliche here, but I try not to worry about what's hip and what's not. If i do something, it's because i like it. If it happens to be in, then cool. If not, then oh well. It's kind of weird because i was caught up in "what will other people think?" stage for a while until i grew more confident. As I observe the changing of trends, I always see the people trying so hard not to follow the trend becoming it and then they have to change their positions on everything again just to be different. It's kinda weird. |
I gotta agree with this. I wear the clothes I like to wear. If they're in style, so be it... I know in a couple months nobody will like it anymore but I'll still wear it. To me, limiting yourself to one "look" is kind of ridiculous. I wear everything from button up stretch shirt from Express, to college tees, to tight jeans and european looking tees, to polos, etc. Bottom line, if I like the clothing, I'm going to buy it and wear it until it wears out. |
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