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Bush a moron or not? (pg. 6)
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| tw1tch |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Obviously! Since we only hear things from Liberal media outlets like Michael Moore and CBS news, we don't get the whole story over here.
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Ah yes, we should watch Fox and CNN, they give us the real details.
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How about instead of making smartass comments that prove nothing, you put out a cogent argument to prove me wrong? |
I have nothing more to say to you about this, your arrogance is annoying. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Obviously! As I said before, you'd prefer to take the word of a corrupt dictator who killed millions of his own people over that of overhwelming U.S., British, and U.N. intelligence? OK!!!
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are u asking or inferring ?
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by tw1tch
Ah yes, we should watch Fox and CNN, they give us the real details.
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Fox and CNN are obviously not going to win the Honest Reporting award. They are biased of course, but not to a much greater extent than the liberal networks (ABC, CBS, NBC...).
Incidentally, I don't watch Fox or CNN - are we so far gone that nobody even thinks of sources other than national TV? Read a book goddamnit! If people are too lazy to do that then they have no right to have an opinion on the subject.
| quote: | | I have nothing more to say to you about this, your arrogance is annoying. |
Is that so? Funny, I thought I was the one making a logical argument while you immediately started with the ad hominem attacks as soon as I challenged your "opinion". Tell me, which one sounds more like arrogance? |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Now I see why he hates press confrences,because He knows he gets ed by reporters.I think he is the only president with the lowest amount of press confrences ever.:haha: |
Some of the questioning in his press conferences has been staged too. Did he answer questions after the last state of the union? Actually I think it was the press conference before they went into Iraq... anyways whichever one it was you could tell the questions were staged and he already knew the order of which reporters to ask.
Bush proved in his first year how open press conferences can be a disaster. He can't think well on the spot and the people under him realized this.
-Your Mother |
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| tw1tch |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Is that so? Funny, I thought I was the one making a logical argument while you immediately started with the ad hominem attacks as soon as I challenged your "opinion". Tell me, which one sounds more like arrogance? |
Do you have short term memory problems? I made a post, not to you, not quoting you, had nothing to do with you. You respond, quoting what I said and this is how you end it?
If any of you guys really want to look intelligent, why don't you actually read the reports instead of watching crappy movies and pretending to be educated.
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
How do you figure?
The "US government" in power now is not the same "US government" that was in power when these things actually happened. And saying that the US government sponsored terrorist actions is highly dubious, unless you (like so many others) have extended your definition of terrorism to something far broader than it was ever meant to reflect. They bring this up about Saddam all the time - yes, he dealt with the US government, so what? Nobody's ever heard of people becoming corrupt or betraying another person or country's trust? There is absolutely no sense in equating Bush to Moore - Bush has not been attacking anyone politically, but he certainly has the right to defend himself (not that he needs to).
The difference is that Michael Moore is fighting a partisan battle (or put more succinctly, a Liberal anti-Bush battle). If it were as simple as honest political criticism, that would be okay - unfortunately, he wants to put Bush in the meat grinder for doing several of the same things that he had no problem with when Clinton and previous presidents were doing it. And on several occasions, he wants to crucify Bush for doing two things that are exact opposites - not reacting swiftly enough, and reacting too swiftly. Not paying enough attention to U.S. intelligence, and not scrutinizing it enough. Well you can't have it both ways. Either a government waits 'til the last minute or it launches pre-emptive strikes. Either a government is more concerned about security, or it is more concerned about privacy. As the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too!
Michael Moore's criticism of Bush, and indeed many of the Liberal and Democrat criticisms of Bush, seem to have no underlying philosophy or flow. A political philosophy needs to be based on a concrete set of ideals expressing the relative importance of issues like national defense and national security, privacy, tradition, economic policy, immigration policy, religious freedom, even basic things like taxes and social spending. But the anti-Bush bandwagon has no such philosophy - their philosophy consists mainly of saying, at every turn, that Bush has done EVERYTHING wrong. That and asking ridiculously inane questions like "would you send your children out to die in Iraq" - well what the kind of a question is that, it's not up to the parents to "send" their kids to war!
Well surely he must have done SOMETHING right? Americans may be a little bit on the uneducated side but they aren't THAT stupid. If they truly felt that Bush had endangered their lives, or lowered their quality of life, then they would not be re-electing him. That's the point of democracy. In reality, Americans can be pretty keen sometimes - they have good instincts about who to trust and who to give the finger to, and they've done a remarkably good job of seeing through the lies of people like Moore. I sincerely hope Bush DOES get re-elected, because Kerry has no game plan - he's based his entire campaign on saying that Bush was wrong about everything, but never bothered to tell us what the RIGHT answers were.
For those of you who continue to insist that Farehneit 9/11 had "no bias", you might want to consider that MOORE HIMSELF admits that it's one-sided and has openly expressed his sentiment that a conservative counterpart would be good for the country.
EvilDust, the USA's popularity is no lower than it has ever been. America-bashing has become more intense in insecure countries that already hated it, like Canada, but I don't think I've heard China or the UK expressing their public hatred lately. |
Ever heard of the "freedom fighters" that were sponsored by the US? Get a clue before you open your mouth. The US will sponsor anyone (terrorist or non-terrorist) if they can do it quietly and it benefits them in the end. But I forgot, your defintion of terrorism only applies to Americans getting hurt. When it happens to other countries its not terrorism right??? They are the kings of covertness (why do you think the CIA was developed to begin with?)
Half of all Americans just don't care about politics. They get their filtered news from any of one of the horrible American news stations, and they accept it as the complete unbiased story. Americans are more concerned about their favorite football team winning next Sunday then all the their president's administration has caused.
And if the US isn't at its lowest point, why have there been serious travel advisories to Americans travelling abroad? The US is the most hated country in the world right now and most Americans with half a brain realizes this.
-Your Mother |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Obviously! As I said before, you'd prefer to take the word of a corrupt dictator who killed millions of his own people over that of overhwelming U.S., British, and U.N. intelligence? OK!!!
I may be arrogant quite often, but I wouldn't call this one of those times. When it comes to the current partisan battle in the USA, the majority of Canadians are depressingly uninformed. Since we only hear things from Liberal media outlets like Michael Moore and CBS news, we don't get the whole story over here. I happen to actively seek out the whole story, but many are content to believe whatever they hear. Which group are you in?
How about instead of making smartass comments that prove nothing, you put out a cogent argument to prove me wrong? |
What makes me laugh the most is how you actually think the US would spend billions and billions of its own money to overthrow another country because of this whole WMD claim... Why not take out North Korea which is a true threat? Is it because they know North Korea can fight back? Actually, its probably because they stand to gain nothing from taking them out. I mean what does NK have to offer? Not much really. But Iraq on the other hand has been turned from a second world to a third world country due to 12 years of heavy sanctions, so taking them out would be easy.
Wolfowitz even said it himself that the WMD angle was what everyone could agree on... they were going in there regardless of any WMD being found. Ever heard of the Project for a New American Century??? Cheney, Perle, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and many others started drafting this invasion back in the mid-90's as a way to relieve military stress in the Middle East and for other geopolitical gains. They even proposed taking out Iraq back in 1998 but Clinton turned down the suggestion.
Do your homework.
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Obviously! As I said before, you'd prefer to take the word of a corrupt dictator who killed millions of his own people over that of overhwelming U.S., British, and U.N. intelligence? OK!!!
I may be arrogant quite often, but I wouldn't call this one of those times. When it comes to the current partisan battle in the USA, the majority of Canadians are depressingly uninformed. Since we only hear things from Liberal media outlets like Michael Moore and CBS news, we don't get the whole story over here. I happen to actively seek out the whole story, but many are content to believe whatever they hear. Which group are you in?
How about instead of making smartass comments that prove nothing, you put out a cogent argument to prove me wrong? |
From a Canadian perspective, there is no such thing as American liberal media. An American liberal leans much closer to a Canadian conservative than a Canadian liberal.
You talk like you suck Bill O'Reilly's for breakfast, Sean Hannity's for lunch, and Rush Limbaugh's for dinner.
-Your Mother |
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| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
EvilDust, the USA's popularity is no lower than it has ever been. America-bashing has become more intense in insecure countries that already hated it, like Canada, but I don't think I've heard China or the UK expressing their public hatred lately. |
Canada is an insecure country? That's news to me. Aaron, do you read chinese news papers or watch their TV news broadcasts? Who's giving misinformed statements now? |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
EvilDust, the USA's popularity is no lower than it has ever been. America-bashing has become more intense in insecure countries that already hated it, like Canada, but I don't think I've heard China or the UK expressing their public hatred lately. |
really? i heard lots while I was in the UK..
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That doesn't even make sense. It's like taking a bunch of puzzle pieces and jamming them together in a pattern that is totally not the way it looks on the front cover, and saying hey, who cares how else the pieces could be arranged, if I could arrange them this way then I've solved the puzzle!
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Too bad the picture he uses no one else can see but what he decides to show...:nervous:
But then everyone has an agenda; his however isn't clear.
The hypocrisy of it all is that he's a bitter man of all things American yet he sure seems to be bathing in the Captialist revenues of a system he so despises...
"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain -- and most fools do."
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| hardcore trancer |
hahahhahaha Digi is getting owned big time in this thread!!
Hopefully he is begining to understand that he is not always right,and that doesnt make him look like a genious by writing an essay for every argument.:p
LONG LIVE MOORE |
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