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A question for those who were/are anti the iraq wa (pg. 4)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
wrong. and WTF is the IIRC? nevermind i'm sure its not important |
IIRC = if i remember correctly.
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
so how do you think that impacts the world |
economys. Oil won't last forever so we should get off of it ASAP.
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo he made $10 billion siphoning off his own country, letting his countrymen rot and supporting jihad and you wanted to lift sanctions?
your a box of rocks dude. |
Support Jihad? Details please. Israel doesn't count as I doubt many Americans would die for Jews.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Q5echo welcome to the real world. i told you they were frontloaded. at least now you know they are not an oil company. |
Okay you're right, but still think contracts should of been up for bids. |
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| rizen |
| Yawn. There's no concrete link between terrorism against the US from Saddam. Pretty sure the corporate media would of been all over it if there was. |
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| arctic |
What bothers me more is the naivety of some on 'the right' -- the persistent belief that Saddam was in some way a threat, and the bizarre idea that America actually wants to go in and 'give the Iraqi people freedom'.
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
1) The left-wing groups so adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq are usually the ones who scream about expanding democracy. In Madison, for example, there's a group called the "Alliance for Democracy," which usually supports various left-wing causes, but also supports things like "Free Tibet" and "Free East Timor." But "Free Iraq" isn't okay? The US coalition just gave 25 million people the right to vote. But instead of saying thank you, they equate Bush to Hitler. |
I don't see any inconsistencies here. Firstly, do any of these groups advocate a military invasion of China in order to free Tibet? Did they call for us to 'shock and awe' Indonesia? If not, then perhaps they simply consider the costs of waging a war too high a price to pay?
That aside, why do you believe that we're 'exporting democracy' to Iraq? Are you aware of the recent closure of the main independent broadcaster by the 'democratic government' (read: authoritarian puppet regime). If so, what did you think of their attempts to justify it? What about their recent 'security' laws they've brought in that effectively gives them the power to turn Iraq into a police state? What about Iyad Allawi's record, a former Ba'ath party supporter and CIA backed terrorist? Does any of this sound particularly democratic to you?
Lastly, if we were so keen on giving democracy to the Iraqi people, why didn't we support the Shia rebellion that we helped start? Why did we persist in the repressive sanctions that seem to have strengthened Saddam's rule and hurt the populace (i've seen estimates of up to 500,000 Iraqi children killed because of the sanctions we imposed). Moving forwards to Iraq today, what happens when most Iraqis have had enough of US troops. Most polls seem to show almost universal opposition to their presence -- all it's going to take is for someone like Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani to call for a rebellion, and we're screwed. Furthermore, what if Iraqis simply don't want democracy, what i they've got a hankering for a hard-line Islamic state? We may very well end up with another Saudi Arabia if we aren't careful.
Look at the un-democratic mess we've left in Afghanistan -- we haven't given them anything remotely like a stable, representative democracy -- we've given them anarchy. Is that what we've got to look forward to in Iraq?
I'm sorry, but I don't believe that we are setting out to give Iraqi people democracy. I'd like to think that we are, but sadly I find it a bit of a bitter pill to swallow.
| quote: | | 2) The latest thing that I've seen are grassroots protests against high gas prices. I even saw a left-wing comedian on TV saying that "Hey, we just invaded a country full of oil. Why aren't we getting any?" Of course, the protesters have completely forgotten about their "No Blood For Oil" signs. They didn't want the US to "take" any, we didn't take any, and know they're mad about it. |
I don't see how that follows. Perhaps they're just perplexed at why oil is so expensive when we've just gained control of even more oil -- I can't see how pondering something such as that means that they've recanted their opposition to the war itself. |
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| tranceaholic |
ummm shouldnt the iraqi people the ones to be asked that question?
its quite amusing to see americans debating over iraqi lives..americans who do not know what its like to be occupied or lookout the window and see a tank passing by or sleep to the lovely sound of bombs and bullets..just like we took over thier country we r deciding wether they r better off or not? :rolleyes: |
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| BadBadNeil |
Actually I don't give a crap about the Iraqi people or what they do in their free time as long as it doesn't affect us. I'm sure they don't sit in their homes and think about how I am living or what I care about either.
I don't think the war was about freedom for the Iraqi people but you have to admit it WAS a side effect of the war. Is it right to invade countries for the sake of freedom? Probably not, even in the most dire circumstances as we've seen in N Korea. I think the Kurds are quite happy that the US came in though. Maybe Iraq needed a "william wallace" to get their freedom instead of the US. |
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| LiquidX |
| GUys Guyyyyssss.. BUsh admited that he screwed up big time on the post-war....HuH? WHAT?!?! :rolleyes: |
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| rizen |
Most of that was either for 1) Al Qaeda links post war to fight our occupation, which doesnt surprise me. 2) Kurdish areas w/ Al Qaeda links which is true, there was even a training camp there IIRC. But you know what, Saddam had no control up there, which proves Saddam was a threat who couldn't even take out people in his own coutnry. 3) Abu Abbas terrorism was against Israel, and an American just happen to be there when it happened. Are we going to attack every country including Canada for keeping fugitives from us now? 4) "Hazy"
kthx |
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| Q5echo |
denial is not a river in Egypt
later |
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| Q5echo |
awesome! you are now one step closer to realizing Iraq was a strategic stepping stone towards a world free of Islamic facism |
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