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but i like john howard! (pg. 9)
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| gumble |
| yah for sure. its heaps easy to criticise what we have. |
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| tathi |
we do live in a rather recalcitrant culture though
on the other hand look at how much alot of the americans love the republicans :nervous: |
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| vitamin v |
| quote: | Originally posted by gumble
yah for sure. its heaps easy to criticise what we have. |
Yes, totally. Unless its that squid thing, Cthulhu :wtf: |
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| tathi |
erm just because Cthulhu has the head of a squid does not mean its a squid thing :whip: :whip:
don't you know anything about politics? ignorant youth:rolleyes: |
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| stamper |
| quote: | Originally posted by gumble
yah for sure. its heaps easy to criticise what we have. |
But i think compared to many other Governments around the world we are pretty lucky. aren't we? |
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| SeeK |
agree with Renegade!!! ;)
how can so many young people vote 4 howard... he's basically made it impossible for any one to own a home, taken 10% extra of almost everything i have bought with GST, hecs fee's... i can understand why older wealthier ppl would vote 4 him. but sorry johnny... 6 years is plenty.
Also wasn't there a budget surplus? how come we didnt see any of that?
ahh well... i hope u all have a happy and fun saturday...
and may the best man win!!! :) |
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| Nic |
| i wont have a happy saturday i'm working all day :( and i need to go before work to vote, i dont wanna get up any earlier than i already have to :( |
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| webmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by SeeK
sorry johnny... 6 years is plenty. |
Exactly! 6 years is plenty! Which is why the 8 1/2 years is way too long :p
(the rodent first took the cheese in 1996) |
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| stamper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nic
i wont have a happy saturday i'm working all day :( and i need to go before work to vote, i dont wanna get up any earlier than i already have to :( |
So we have to vote on Saturday? Sorry this is my first time voting im a bit nervous. :nervous: |
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| pasocon-otaku |
Look at it this way....
The Greens want to legalise Ecstacy and Marijuana - and if this means less people getting drunk and starting fights and drunk driving and killing themselves and others, I'm all for it. And no more pills that can kill you....
... and one way or another your vote will go to people who want to stop people like you and me getting killed in Iraq over big bombs that never existed.
Otherwise if you agree with what John Howard has done, well you probably wouldn't mind a superpower like China invading Australia - deposing and denouncing the Howard Government for the terrorist-harbouring, "military regime with big invisible bombs that no one can find" that it so obviously is. Digging Howard out of some hole and locking him up god-knows-where... oh, and in the meantime at least 2 people you are related to and about 15 people you know have been killed, shot, or just generally blown into easy to carry pieces.
Yeah, and all the countries we've screwed over like Iraq and Vietnam and East Timor could support China, cos, then, you know, it's a Coalition of the Willing... yeah, fighting to rid the world of cowardly little apathetic pseudo-democratic blokeocracies. Excessive force to free our minds from our little dreamworld where we blissfully ignore the fact that there are civilians dying in an oil war being fought in our name.
I mean , I'm feeling pretty repressed right now, and losing a few people i've known all my life is a small price to pay for Freedom with a capital ing F.
Cos obviously we can't manage our own government, we need other countries to come in and "fix" it all up for us.
Prove me wrong. |
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| tathi |
something Dave / DDsD wrote on TT
| quote: | Originally posted by DDsD
What really scares me is just how many people have swallowed the fear campaign run by the Liberal Government on economics. Shocked
Finally Johnny has backpedelled and conceded that the government does NOT set interest rates, the RBA does (correct) and has since turned his attention to interest rates in the past.. the "Omg look at interest rates under labor" smear campaign.
What people need to realise is that Australias interest rates (the 'value' of our money in the future) has far more to do with the external factors of our international trading partners than our own domestic demand. If you have a look at interest rate progression over the entire world over the last 50 years. You see a *direct* correlation between interest rates in other countries and our own (Particularly the US) the 'fact' that Labor was in power at the time was merely coincindental.
Now while it is possible to microeconomically 'sponsor a domestic climate which suits low interest rates' the actual real-world effect that this has on the economy is limited from the governments spending patterns (Keynesian anti-cyclical government spending does not have the same limiting effects that it once did).
Running deficiet's or surplusses in the budget of the magnitude that has been run in the last 15 years is of no major concern, the budgets for the most part are 'balanced enough' so that there is no effect on the economy as a result. The Liberal Government cry's foul over the last Labor Government running 'huge deficiets' in the recession of the early 90s. This was primarilly because of one reason.. due to a (world) recession, vast numbers of people were out of work. So what does that mean to a government who gets taxes in as income, and gives money out as unemployment benifits to the unemployed? It means that the government has to spend alot more than it is getting in.. thus putting a budget into deficiet.
The recent surplus budgets have come about by 2 things, a lowering of the unemployment rate (thus increasing the ammount of tax in, and lowering 'transfer payments' out to the unemployed) and the sale of government assets (Primarilly Telstra). The Liberal party can gloat all they want about running surpluses, but it really means nix in the scheme of things. Certainly you could argue that their 'job network' reforms helped reduce the frictional unemployment component of the unemployment rate. But other than that their economic managment has been nothing spectacular.
To have a strong economy you have to have two things, a smart workforce (by spending on education) and a healthy workforce that is fit and ready to 'be productive' (by spending on healthcare) this is known as the 'third wave' of political thought, read here -> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books for a book on this 'third wave'.
You either position yourself as a knowledgable country with a skillset above that of others, or you become a comodiity trader 'bannana republic' style country who competes with everyone else on cost instead of our skills. If we end up competing with china on price in commodities, we lose *all* control of our domestic economy as we become so dependant on other nations for our income that any domestic policy would have little effect other than to lower the rights of workers to make us 'more competitive' on the world market. |
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