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| Eugene |
| quote: | Originally posted by cweb
Of course I would. But to call the taliban terrorists (they are perhaps) just because they didnt handover osama is so lame. Many people in these region hate the USA, and not all are terrorists. And if they dont see a proof for what he did, they will not hand him over. Besides that. I've heard that there is a rule in this country, that you have to be more friendly to a guest than to your own citizens. So they "have not" the right to hand over aguest to a foreign country without some serious proven (to them!) reason. As far as I learned they would have let a UN-protected-justice come to their country. I mean for them, the US are what osama is for you. And would you hand over, say henry kissinger, to the taliban, just because the middle east feel he is guilty and deserves the death? So to say oif they didnt hand over osama they are terrorists is somewhat ridiculous. |
Well, first of all, Bin Laden is wanted by the international tribunal and the UN, not just by the US. Secondly, let's remember the chronology. It's not like the US suddenly learned about him and now wants him released. Bin Laden has been wanted for many, many years. Not only was there specific and credible evidence of his involvement in the Sept. 11 tragedy (shown to all the countries except Afghanistan -- because they would have compromised sensitive intelligence), there was also a lot of evidence in his previous attacks too. I believe certain documents have been shown to the Taliban over the last 5 years, including by the UN. So it's not nearly black-and-white as you paint.
By the way, a representative of this Al-Qaeda said, "The thunder of hijacked planes will CONTINUE..." and so forth -- what better proof of its involvement in the Sept. 11 attack, including for the Taliban? There have been others as well. Basically, in a functional way, they admitted their own involvement. Even so, as I said in one of my other posts, the Sept. 11 evidence was direct and convincing -- there was a CNN article on that.
What I'm noticing is that you draw a line between terrorists and those who harbor them. I disagree with that, in my eyes they're equally bad. The tragedy occurred on US soil and directly against the US, so you shouldn't be surprised that the US is the most active in the current action. What would you do?? |
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| DJ Sunburn |
| quote: | Originally posted by j_spot
I crown this thread the one with the most long responses in the history of TA |
And I am the regretful founder. :( |
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| AnotherWay83 |
yo transmit...wanted to say ur post was pretty informative, didn't know it (even tho i live in the US!)...i do think, tho, that what was true in 1990 is not (completely) true today, because i think just recently they conducted a survey which concluded that SINCE then, crime has gone down significantly in almost every major city in the US...i'll post a link to that article if i can find it on the net...
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| Tranzmit |
| quote: | Originally posted by AnotherWay83
yo transmit...wanted to say ur post was pretty informative, didn't know it (even tho i live in the US!)...i do think, tho, that what was true in 1990 is not (completely) true today, because i think just recently they conducted a survey which concluded that SINCE then, crime has gone down significantly in almost every major city in the US...i'll post a link to that article if i can find it on the net...
peace |
lol i just reread my post and damn but it was long! :p
Don't take anything I said in there personally will you? ;) I'm not anti-anyone, just trying to help inform people! Please do let me know what you find though and thanks for the reply. Unfortunately once i start on a subject i get into it and post this huge long post and it's so "weighty" no one even reads it LOL!!! I am quite aware that the US has tried to cut down on crime recently like in New York etc but it's still very high in comparison (from what i've found on the subject anyways) |
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| DJ Fundamental |
I saw the front page of the newspaper this morning. Didn't have time to read the article though. "BUSH REJECTS BIN LADEN OFFER"
??? I'm gonna need to have a look... |
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| cweb |
Yes Eugene I agree with you that there is not a big difference between terrorists and those who harbour them. But on the other hand. What did the US in the past, and perhaps now? They gave money to so called "fighter for peace" (thats funny if they are for the US, they are called lek taht, if they are against them they are terrorists) like the UCK and Mudschaheddin just to gain an advantage today in a fight against a supressor (russia, jugoslavia). And why not agree to a UN-protected tribunal in Afghanistan (yes could be dangerous, but the taliban would perhaps agreed to a tribunal in Iran are st like that).
And yesterday the North Alliance, the Opposition btw, reported that only a few military targets were hit by the bombings. |
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| DJ Sunburn |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Fundamental
I saw the front page of the newspaper this morning. Didn't have time to read the article though. "BUSH REJECTS BIN LADEN OFFER"
??? I'm gonna need to have a look... |
Yeah I think that has sumtin to do with the negotiations Bin Laden offered. But since my country is so eager to pull out revenge- I mean justice on Bin Laden, we refuse them dern pleas. |
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| mr_stamper |
| Do you all honestly think that once Bin Laden is captured that terrorism will end? I fear that thisis only the beginning, and the US are only adding fuel to the fire. |
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| Eugene |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr_stamper
Do you all honestly think that once Bin Laden is captured that terrorism will end? I fear that thisis only the beginning, and the US are only adding fuel to the fire. |
It's damn better than doing nothing. :rolleyes: |
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| DJ Sunburn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eugene
It's damn better than doing nothing. :rolleyes: |
Sure is. Can't just watch Bin Laden do something else. |
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| mr_stamper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eugene
It's damn better than doing nothing. :rolleyes: |
hmmm...not really. It's just gonna make the terrorists more pissed off which will mean more attacks. Terrorism can never be eliminated, its hard enough for the US with all its power to stop just ONE terrorist group in just ONE country. The US are just fighting a war they cannot win. Maybe the US should actually look at the reasons why there is so much hatred towards them in the first place. |
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| TranceCluber |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr_stamper
hmmm...not really. It's just gonna make the terrorists more pissed off which will mean more attacks. Terrorism can never be eliminated, its hard enough for the US with all its power to stop just ONE terrorist group in just ONE country. The US are just fighting a war they cannot win. Maybe the US should actually look at the reasons why there is so much hatred towards them in the first place. |
ohh so u say the terriorist should have the power of that..... I say that u with US u gets REAMMMED BIG TIME!!!! ohhh ok we might did things wrong or did stuff in the past that made them mad... I tell them stop in blaming everyone else..we dont run there governments... US isnt the problem of there economic struggle they have.....Germany had those same sactions put on them after WW2 and they prospured so fast ......... they need to stop being in s and start looking at themselfs and say why are we in this mess and what can we do to help this out....... ...but no they go in bombing the US cuz thats the only solution they have ...shows how ing intellegant they are....( the biggest problem in there governments is that they need to be modernized its a modern world old ways of living doesnt work if u want to have the same life as democracies) there is nothing US can do to change that ..so i say its time to defend our selfs.... u drop a bomb on us there are military consquences.... they started it we will end it... you say its putting on a fuel on a fire...well its a fire that cant be stopped the only way is ..it to stand up and fight it .....well u might say ok im being a hypocrite cuz we are bombing them now...well thats differnt cuz they did a miltary act on us first with the NYC thing.... so its differnt this is a defense for future western worlds that are in threat of terrosim |
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