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Yet Another Subway Jumper (pg. 5)
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
There are many ways of killing yourself in this world. Jump off a bridge, cliff, eat a bunch of pills, shoot yourself....the list goes on. You cant regulate suicides. Its impossible. A simple banner on the side of a subway terminal is not going to make a difference with someone who has already made up their mind. |
You assume they made up their mind. But did they? I guarantee not all of them do, maybe most of them have their decisions as final, but not all. Hope is one of the humanity's greatest strenghts and weaknesses. I dont know much about whats on the mind of those people, but I believe something can be done. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
P.S. - i do feel bad for people who have come to a point in their lives where they feel like there is no point to live. I just dont respect those who decide to end their lives with the intent to with those who's lives are perfectly fine (i.e.- subway jumpers, suicide bombers, etc.) |
I doubt someone about to commit suicide is really going to think too much about the impact their death is going to have on the people around them. The fact the guy decided to throw himself in front of a moving train should indicate the mindset he/she was in. Although tragic, i don't really have too much sympathy to be quite honest. Suicide is a cowards way of not dealing with the problems that each and everyone of us faces in life.
Also, suicide bombers don't kill themselfs because they don't have anything to live for. On the contrary, most of them believe they are giving the ultimate sacrfice for something worth dying for. Which is also retarded way of thinking in my opinion.
No one is helped in death... |
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| Magnetonium |
Well, to add to your post, Ky -
We dont live in an equal society - some of us unfairly or fairly live better than others. Those who live better than others may not know or care how better their lives are, nor could they ever understand how bad some peoples' lives are (take Afrika, for example). Those who live OK or well can often easily or easier ignore the problems that most of other people face. Ignorance thus, is bliss. People who live in problems every day see the world in a different way, the way well-off peeople, who never suffered like them, could not see. Thats why if we could understand how horrible their lives are, of the poor and/or suffering, we may as well help the society. But who's gonna do that? So, you see, the reason why they kill themselves like that, in public, in such a gruesome display is to prove the world that the world is not as great as they perceive it to be.
Do you see where I am getting to? |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
Also, suicide bombers don't kill themselfs because they don't have anything to live for. On the contrary, most of them believe they are giving the ultimate sacrfice for something worth dying for. Which is also retarded way of thinking in my opinion. |
well, it still make much more sense than to just kill yourself cuase your life sucks imo. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Well, to add to your post, Ky -
We dont live in an equal society - some of us unfairly or fairly live better than others. Those who live better than others may not know or care how better their lives are, nor could they ever understand how bad some peoples' lives are (take Afrika, for example). Those who live OK or well can often easily or easier ignore the problems that most of other people face. Ignorance thus, is bliss. People who live in problems every day see the world in a different way, the way well-off peeople, who never suffered like them, could not see. Thats why if we could understand how horrible their lives are, of the poor and/or suffering, we may as well help the society. But who's gonna do that? So, you see, the reason why they kill themselves like that, in public, in such a gruesome display is to prove the world that the world is not as great as they perceive it to be.
Do you see where I am getting to? |
I can see your intentions are admirable, and i agree, people who are contemplating suicide should be helped. But that being said, it is the responsibility of the person to seek counseling. People are so self absorbed in their own life, that it's impossible to notice or care about what is happening to someone else. I don't think that's being selfish, that's just a reality of life.
I feel compassion for anyone who is struggling in life, and finds themself in a pit of despair with suicide as their only option. I have a feeling a significantly larger percentage of people have probably contemplated killing themselves, but have stopped short of going through with it because self preservation is an innate survival skill we are programmed with. Suicide isn't natural, and it certainly isn't helpfull to society in general or the individual in question.
Regarding making a statement out of your death to the world by picking a public spot like the subway instead of some motel 6. Well, i think that's basically the final cry for help...which ultimately goes unanswered, which makes it all the more tragic.
No matter what your situation, killing yourself hardly improves it. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| Lets be a little more sensitve here please. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
well, it still make much more sense than to just kill yourself cuase your life sucks imo. |
Exactly, which is why suicide bombers can't be categorized with someone who slashes their wrist, or jumps over a cliff. Suicide bombers have a purpose (even if it is twisted and uncomprehensible for the rest of us).
You won't find a suicide bomber leaving a sorrowfull note like "Hey, life sucks so i've decided to strap 10 kgs of TNT on my chest and detonate myself on the early morning bus...have a nice day everyone...oh, and btw. Isreal sucks a big donkey dick. Free Palestine !!! Allah Oh Akbar ! Khaaaaaaallaaaaeeeeee eeeeee ".
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Lets be a little more sensitve here please. |
There's a risk of being over sensitive and not recognizing that while tragic, the choice the person made when they choose to end their life, was the wrong one.
I'm sensitive to anyone who reaches out for help if they find themselves contemplating suicide. They're trying to fight, and i can appreciate that because life is a struggle and there will be moments when you feel like no one cares whether you live or die. So while i hope the person who died today finds the peace in the afterlife which was obviously lacking in this one, i can't help but feel he took the cowardly way out... |
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| VERTiG0 |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
There's a risk of being over sensitive and not recognizing that while tragic, the choice the person made when they choose to end their life, was the wrong one. |
Fine, that's a fair opinion. I am simply suggesting that one realize that this is a sensitive topic - and one adjust the tone/directness of posts accordingly.
In addition - consider that this is a public forum, and that there might be people people on here who have been affected by sucide and being "overly blunt/harsh" instead of "sensitive/elegant" might hurt their feelings or open wounds.
Call it courtesy. I am not trying to appear to be a white knight - but upon further reflection that is my opinion. |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by E*Master
Just got an email passed around at work of the terrible news that some dude jumped on the tracks at Islington Station (Right in front of my building) & was run over . Why do People Commit suicide this way? I always find this sad. That is a Horrible way to die and a Horrible way to tie up TTC traffic. I feel sorry for the Subway conductor as well. That's gotta be traumatic |
This happened all the time in London.. specifically on the central line for some reason. So many times I would be coming home from work and some attendant would get on the announcement system and inform everyone that the trains were delayed due to a "person under train accident".. Every time it was "person under train". It must have been their nice way of saying somebody jumped and thats why you aint getting home any time soon.
-Your Mother |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
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LOL, POST IT! TAKE THE RISK! |
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