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The US Election & Politics Thread (pg. 16)
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| Nite-Mer |
I have to agree with Orbax. We have to move forward, but not at the cost of sacrificing all of our ethics and morals. If things in this country continue to become more and more liberal, everything becomes okay and acceptable. There are some really tough issues, abortion and homosexual marriage, and there are some others that aren't as complex. Drugs are more acceptable now than they were. I'm not saying I haven't done any, but it's not a good thing that we become more and more desensitized to everything. I agree that Bush might not have explained his motives well in entering Iraq, and may not have had full support or even close. However, I believe it's a means to an end. Clinton was too concerned being a politician and pleasing everyone to put his foot down. I want a president that is willing to make the hard decisions.
And DoubleHelix - Interdependant? I would say that Canada is a lot more dependant on us than we are they. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by whiskers
people are choosing their "moral standpoints" to be the model for the rest of the country.
the problem is that kerry's supporters' moral standpoints are "you are allowed to have any standpoints you wish" and bush's supporters' standpoints are "you are allowed to have only the standpoints we tell you are right, such as anti-gay marriage laws and anti-abortion laws because we don't like them, so we won't give you a choice"
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I don't remember why I used to dislike you, but now I quite like the way you think :cool: |
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| Zayatz |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
I don't understand how 50% of America has failed to see that Bush is a moron, i really don't.
The rest of the world knows it, but i guess Bush's campaign of "security" (read: Fear) worked wonders. |
yip:
http://www.betavote.com |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
I don't understand how 50% of America has failed to see that Bush is a moron, i really don't.
The rest of the world knows it, but i guess Bush's campaign of "security" (read: Fear) worked wonders. |
Funny how the rest of the world isn't here and really doesn't know about our country, besides what their biased media tells them, and tries to spout of like an authority on our politics. :rolleyes: |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by sym
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You have no idea how much contempt I have for the Parents of Generations next. The baby boomers were taught by the WWII generation. An arguably badass group. The ruled with an iron fist and it produced the CEOs and Presidents of today.
Now the Baby Boomers took a look at the beatings and the abuse and said "Never to my kids" and then raised them with NO kind of rules whatsoever.
I see so many kids these days that piss me off and you just look at them and think "One good smack upside the head would ing FIX this kid"
Besides the lack of real repercussion for misdeeds (a rewarding, really. The kids get attention when they are being bad and ignored otherwise, a blatant look away from the psychological standard of positive re-enforcement) the parents raise them with no moral basis. They give them the freedom to do whatever they want.
but in all reality that is like dumping your kid off naked in the woods and tell them that youll see em at home in 18 years. We are living in some pretty amazing times. Subjects that were ignored or didnt exist before are now in the open and WE are the generations to decide on them.
But the kids have no reference. They are sitting there with nothing to relate to being told to make judgments on no other basis than "dont judge". No wonder kids are so ed up these days.
All Im saying is that at home kids need to be taught some basics in ethics. Work, business, friendship. Trust and betrayal. How to deal with tough situations when someone asks you to do something that is wrong. Letting them know whats wrong. Teach em how to be a gentleman, or a lady. A sense of propriety.
I dont think we need to teach them to have Tea Time at 2:30 and the proper edicate for brunch.
Give them enough to get through the first 18 years of life without making a mess of themselves. The studies that have beenc oming out for the last 10 years have all shown that kids have no self image. No identity. They are trying to find themselves through dressing a certain way or watching certain TV shows and listening to certain music instead of having a firm idea of who they are.
If you think about what makes a person it isnt someone who likes rock climbing or snowboards every winter. The people you decide on are people who like meeting challenges head on, are always there for a friend. Dont back down in tough situations and honor their word.
You could give a what they do.
So yeah, im talking pretty basic values here, but its something that seems to be missing. Dont let me get into what culture seems to be influencing youth today because its the worst culture in America and seems to be the most influential.
Bah.
On issues like sex. I am conservative on that thinking that you should love someone you are having sex with. But im not for waiting for marriage. It just needs to not be a cheap taudry thing that is as disposable as the condom you should be using.
Drugs...Ive done em. Was fun. Probably do em again. Moderation and not getting into a culture of hanging out in low class areas or doing it too much. Realize its illegal and makes it hard to get jobs though.
People just have no balance to their lives. There isnt anything to check the explosion of new things new drugs new images new everything. They have no way to put boundaries on what is possible. They dont see the need to. They see people like us TAs talking about E and how much fun it is then without researching it go take the first 4 pills someone sells them.
Its just a very ignorant yet well endowed group of people moving through. And they are getting ed and they wont know it till they are 40. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Kerry really won?
>>>>LINK<<<< |
:rolleyes:
Here we go again. |
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| Dirk W. |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Kerry really won?
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NO. sorry.
And to whoever said MTV was what was influencing these kids and making them dress bad and act socially immoral was right. But guess what, MTV echoes a lot of the policies and ideals of a liberal government (ie: Democrats, more specifically Kerry). Pro-choice encourages sexual immorality. And that's just scraping the surface. Think about it. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dirk W.
NO. sorry.
And to whoever said MTV was what was influencing these kids and making them dress bad and act socially immoral was right. But guess what, MTV echoes a lot of the policies and ideals of a liberal government (ie: Democrats, more specifically Kerry). Pro-choice encourages sexual immorality. And that's just scraping the surface. Think about it. |
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dirk W.
Pro-choice encourages sexual immorality.. |
does that mean your against all forms of contraception? |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Kerry really won?
>>>>LINK<<<< |
By that logic, Bush won New Mexico and a few other states in 2000. |
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