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| Mike_B |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
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"Kerry's telling college students Bush is going to bring back the draft (which, btw, a bill to do so was crushed in the US Senate 99-1, and obliterated in the US House 434-2) <-- rough figures.*
* and OMG, the 1 vote in the Senate was a DEMOCRATIC senator, and oh wow, the 2 votes in the House were from DEMOCRATIC representatives. Methinks it's hypocritical for their party to rant about Bush and the draft when it's their own party bringing up such bills." |
You're an Idiot. where not saying the Bush wants the Draft, were saying the way bush runs things, he wont have a choise. |
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| Yan |
Anyone care to help me with a rebuttal to this statement:
| quote: | Oh **** you. Get your ******* facts straight. Kerry didn't flip-flop, you ******* moron. Read the congressional records before spewing rhetoric.
On the Senate floor on October 9th, 2002, Kerry said:
"As the President made clear earlier this week, ‘Approving this resolution does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable.’ It means that America speaks with one voice. Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.
”In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out. If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community..."
Golly gosh, he was against the war in 2002! Right after 9/11! He didn't flop-flop!
EDUCATE YOUR ******* SELF. |
Funny that this girl decided to post this to me when I didn't even mention any specific of Kerry's flip-flops.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike_B
You're an Idiot. where not saying the Bush wants the Draft, were saying the way bush runs things, he wont have a choise. |
Because I was TOTALLY making reference to one of the posts in this topic.
:rolleyes:
I'm just trying to show folks that are SCARED of the reinstatement of the draft that everything is going to be fine.
Re-read my statement, chum. He can't do it as easily as waging war. |
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| Arbiter |
I'd rather not respect the views of Bush supporters, since they aren't respect-able.
To be honest, I have respect for a lot of conservative positions, but they happen to be the ones that Bush doesn't stand for, like: privacy rights, fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, non-interventionism, and a narrow interpretation of the Constitution.
I can't even really see how Bush can rightly be called a conservative when he shamelessly abandons these core conservative principles. When I find out someone is a Bush supporter, I can only assume that they are ignorant about his actual views, or they are simply living in a land of nonsensical "faith-based" emotional "thinking." Neither of these qualities is respectable, so I don't really respect any Bush supporters. All the conservatives I respect abandoned Bush years ago and split between Kerry and Badnarik. |
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| born2trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
A little late on the uptake, eh? :clown:
Got to it a few posts before you =P |
yeah i didnt think itd hurt to post again :))) |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by born2trance
yeah i didnt think itd hurt to post again :))) |
:o :D |
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| born2trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aristronica
ok, to avoid potential stupid , no one ask why that is funny to b2t
got it?
good
edit - ehh too late :whip: :whip: :whip: |
nah, imho that movie was just ridiculous (kerry too), but i aint tryin to start sh*t here |
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| Gholy Host |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
NOTE:
"Kerry's telling college students Bush is going to bring back the draft (which, btw, a bill to do so was crushed in the US Senate 99-1, and obliterated in the US House 434-2) <-- rough figures.*
* and OMG, the 1 vote in the Senate was a DEMOCRATIC senator, and oh wow, the 2 votes in the House were from DEMOCRATIC representatives. Methinks it's hypocritical for their party to rant about Bush and the draft when it's their own party bringing up such bills." |
I read about the draft bill being crushed. I hope it stays that way. However, the dexterity with which Bush dodges around the constitution, and molds things to his own needs is amazing. When that third or fourth war breaks out, I hope he's singing the same tune.
Edit: As Mike said, it's obvious Bush doesn't want a draft any more than the next guy. I won't get into his records. Anyway, as Mike said, when the time comes, godforbid these terrorists be coming at us from several angles, I think the odds are good that the numbers voting for and against the draft change. |
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| SID133 |
| quote: | Skull and Bones Wins 2004 Election. Tyranny Wins.
Alex Jones
Infowars.com
November 3, 2004
The Republicans now have a record majority in the House and the Senate, seven of the nine members of the Supreme Court were appointed by Republicans, a large majority of our States’ Governors are Republicans, and George Bush is now a lame duck who is not facing re-election.
What does this mean? It means that, to all the smirking neo-con masses who are celebrating Bush’s win, Bush now has no excuse but to repeal unconstitutional gun laws, to stop calling for amnesty , to control our borders, to pull out of UNESCO, and to stop the Free Trade Area of the Americas that is the Pan-American Union.
Don’t hold your breath. We’ve seen an explosion in the size of the government and a record loss of American freedom. I predict it’s only going to accelerate. Tens of millions of beady-eyed, dumbed-down, neo-con, neo-communist Republicans will hail it all because they associate their personal power with George Bush and don’t give a damn about their children or this country.
The Republicans now have strong control over all three branches of the Federal Government and the States, but instead of seeing a new age of conservatism, we're going to see a new age of the Police State. Government will get bigger and bigger and the Patriot Act 2 and the National ID will be rammed through Congress.
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got this in my email today from a friend |
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| d0uble h3lix |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
Name a country that the US has ever invaded for its natural resources. If that were the case we would be stealing Iraqi crude as fast as we could pump it. Instead we invade the country, spend billions doing it in order to remove a violent dictator and hopefully add a little more stability to the middle east.
Like it or not, every country we have invaded since 1900 has been to defend it from some foreign agressor or some communist revolution, not to steal resources. And it has almost always been at the request of the rest of the world.
And I have to disagree with you on us not being able to take China or Russia. The US would not beat them in a matter of days like Iraq but we have the most powerful, most advanced military there is. Neither Russia or China would want to test that.
And again, our massive nuclear stockpile would prevent China or Russia from going there. |
LOL its scary to know that pseudo nationalism has actually made you believe the "ideals" your government claims to uphold.
name a country? i can name two: iraq and kuwait.
now Xanax, keep in mind this: The United States of America is NOT a truly democratic nation. had enough time for that to sink in yet? no? k ill wait a bit more...
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Now, if you've been invading other nations for their own good and to protect their rights and freedoms, why is that almost every country you've had an occupation of or have waged war in has some resonating or deep hatred for the states? your nation has a terrible record for during and post-war occupation, usually causing more damage during, and leaving a storm behind you. keep in mind that much of the wars youve had have been a result of your own actions. Sadam and Osama were once your allies, but you ed with them, they hit back at what you held dear, and you went to wage war in their countries with almost a total lack of respect for the civilian populace. simply put, your troops in the past and present tend to terrorize the civilian population of foreign occupied nations.
Have you noticed that almost infinitely lesser heat has been directed towards the Brits and their "softly, softly" approach? they have taken the time and measures to ensure their military actions target only the enemy, with much less civilian casualties. Also, the cities which they occupy have not been excessively dangerous, as the respect and protection they show for the populace is returned with respect and gratification, not with terror and hatred.
About your statement with regards to Russia and China...w..t..f? your government and its civilians seem to be drunk with stupidity with concerns to your percieved power. Your nuclear stockpile means . While Russia presently has a smaller arsenal, much of it you can't track with confidence, as they're mobile ICBM launchers (including subs). China is in the same boat (pun intended), but they're more into aerial-based nuclear strikes, and due to the size and effectiveness of their airforce, a aerial-directed nuclear strike poses a serious threat to you. Yes, you are right, you have the most technologically advanced military in the world overall, but many beat your level of technology in single areas, and this is where your superiority ends. Under next to no circumstances could your country expect to win an air or land war against Russia or China (we won't even consider the possibility of them allying to remove a common foe) not only in sheer numbers are you heavily outnumbered by both, but your military hasn't fought a professional armed force since world war 2. Both the Russians and the Chinese training on par with your military and are used to going it alone, they do not fight as part of a coalition...another thing your military has become accustomed to.
, i meant to keep this short, but your statements pissed me off to a certain degree, so i had to write this..newayz im done with this. |
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| Nite-Mer |
One post only.
Ha ha to all the haters, Bush wins! I guess the whole country has gone insane. :rolleyes: |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aristronica
P.S. My two cents - since Kerry supports Scientific Research and is willing to create more government grants for that area, and both of my parents are immunologists, I support him. However I believe the country can benefit from both candidates. I mean these guys graduated Yale and whatnot - you can't just sneak through Yale, even if you are an x-presidents son. So I believe each one of them is an intelligent human being with lots of good ideas, though Bush does struggle with wording them properly, but that's fine - there are many of us that can't word properly, just check out some threads. |
Bush supports stem cell research.
The only thing he limited was federal funding for NEW embryonic research. |
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| Remiks |
| all right wing trash must hang, i cant put it any simpler than that, nor do i want to..ive taken enuf hits in my life to even care, all i have in my fridge are ing eggs thanks to good ol GW. if you voted republican this year u are a ing nazi, plain and simple, i dont care if u have some pop-political views on the matter, come live in america to where it really resonates. This country brings truth to the line "instead of kisses we get kicked" |
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