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TIESTO: why the bashing? (pg. 6)
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| Dave Piazza |
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Nite-Mer I got your CD's today. :) I like them alot. Ill send you a PM with a detailed review after I listen to them all ;) |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
I looked at all of my posts in that thread immediately prior to posting that, and I never once said, or even implied, that BBB has done more for EDM than Sasha and Digweed. Much less said the words Dave Piazza fabricated. |
There was a comment about 1/2 dj's Sasha and Digweed with BBB. I thought that was it, but maybe it was worded slightly different. I don't want to prove you wrong hard enough to find it though.
Amber, just so you know, I wasn't referring to you in my frustration post. I'm talking about the people that see no wrong in Tiesto and think he's this phenomenal mixer. He has some good moments, but he is far more inconsistent than most of the top name dj's. I speak from a lot of experience at live shows, recorded live sets, and released cd's. The fact that you can hear software cover-ups for faulty Tiesto mixing on cd's he sells is frustrating. On the other hand, they are minor errors and it's nice to see that he spins them rather than using the computer. I have to assume that much anyway. He has his pro's and his con's, but I don't think he should be ranked number 1 or even in the top ten, probably.
Hard to knock him though. He's playing for the masses and has a great understanding of the music. I want the dj that can do both. Everyone seems to rip on Armin here, but he's a solid dj, technically speaking. I like his track selection, usually, as well. He's certainly better than Tiesto, IMO. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
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Nite-Mer I got your CD's today. :) I like them alot. Ill send you a PM with a detailed review after I listen to them all ;) |
Cool. I'm glad you enjoy them. There are definitely minor errors here and there, but most are solid. I look forward to reading your PM. Don't hold back. If you notice something, I probably know about it, but I'd rather you are straight with me. It's the only way I can improve. There's always room for improvement. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nite-Mer
There was a comment about 1/2 dj's Sasha and Digweed with BBB. I thought that was it, but maybe it was worded slightly different. I don't want to prove you wrong hard enough to find it though.
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I said they were semi-dj's. You will prove me wrong when you tell me how DJ skill translates into the amount someone has contributed to a given music scene.
| quote: | Originally posted by wwu.punisher Radagast... for as much as you talk about Tiesto... I'm certain that you can't do what he can do behind the decks.
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You're correct, but what's your point?
| quote: | | you'd have to be a dunce to think he isn't a talented musician. |
I never said anything about his productions. |
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| trancebrat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nite-Mer
Amber, just so you know, I wasn't referring to you in my frustration post. |
Yes, I know. I have never had a problem with you. Only the first part of my post was directed towards you. ;) |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
I said they were semi-dj's. You will prove me wrong when you tell me how DJ skill translates into the amount someone has contributed to a given music scene.
You're correct, but what's your point?
I never said anything about his productions. |
Fine. In that case. What the hell has BBB done for EDM, especially globally? Tiesto might not be the best dj, but he's done a lot more for EDM than Bad Boy Bill has, both production and as a dj. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Actually you are wrong. He was doing it before, but in '98 he started playing more commercial trance than before, or at least, that's when he had his first big pop trance break at innercity. |
OH you know what Tiesto was playing in his live shows before 1998? Really please indulge me with what shows you attended in the 1990's i am so curious. Or do you know because of his live sets in the 1990s? Well thats funny being there is under 15 recorded lie sets from Tiesto in the 1990s. So please enlighten me. I really love how you pretend like you know...more and more you make a fool out of yourself to me with your lack of knowledge on Tiesto.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Justin Timberlake does all of those things as well.. |
You said name one DJ...did you not?:rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
I dislike most trance DJ's. Tiesto maybe moreso, but it doesn't really matter... |
Then why o why are you on tranceaddict? There are tech forums and house forums where you might feel more at home.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
The DJ's I listen to are both popular and underground, but they are always good.... |
Name two...please i would love to know who you consider underground and always throw down flawless sets...but i bet you won't name them...
by the way...popular AND undergound is an oxymoron...please please check www.dictionary.com
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
No, anyone who thinks Tiesto is a good DJ is ignorant..... |
I won't dispute the fact that Tiesto is not as good as he used to be, because i would be lieing. But to say he is not good is absurd...of course he is GOOD...is he great? Well that remains to be seen. I feel he used to be great and is just good now. But to say he is not good puts him in a league of a novice..which he is not.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Wow. This guy actually thinks Intolerance and Ignorance are synonyms?..... |
oh boy you are so sad....i never said that. I meant being INTOLERANT is being IGNORANT.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Seriously man, if i'm so sad, why argue with me at all? |
Because you misinform people with your nonsense on Tiesto. You try and tell people what Tiesto used to play, circa 1997, when in fact YOU DO NOT KNOW.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Correction, I bash ty DJ's. |
So who IS a good DJ?...please name one. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nite-Mer
Fine. In that case. What the hell has BBB done for EDM, especially globally? Tiesto might not be the best dj, but he's done a lot more for EDM than Bad Boy Bill has, both production and as a dj. |
This is not a comparison between BBB and Tiesto, or how much either has contributed to anything. This is about the best DJ's. I bash tiesto because he's a bad DJ. Stop changing the subject. If you want to know, neither of them have really contributed to EDM in my opinion.:rolleyes: |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nite-Mer
I agree with this to a large extent and to what Tiesto14 has said. However, it is annoying to hear people, obviously blinded by the hype, praise Tiesto so one-sidedly. You can be a Tiesto fan and admit that he's not a phenomenal mixer. That just means that technical mixing isn't as important to you, or that you don't hear all of the mistakes (you meant as a general term, not you Amber). I just can't sit by the wayside if someone tries to call Tiesto a better dj than Sasha. Saying he plays a style that you like better is fair. But Sasha is ten times better. That is clear to anyone who really understands mixing. They both program well and play good tracks (within their genres), but Sasha is far superior technically.
I know this didn't come up in here, but I hear those kinds of comments all the time. It's a little bit frustrating. We should be able to give our honest opinions, as long as we aren't just flaming. Substantiate your claims and be constructive, yet honest. |
I agree...
I have NEVER thought Tiesto was a great mixer....PvD, Sasha etc etc are way better at Tiesto at mixing. So i agree with you. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancebrat
Yes, I know. I have never had a problem with you. Only the first part of my post was directed towards you. ;) |
Cool. Just making sure I didn't come off wrong. I am usually pretty blatant if I am singling someone out (aka Rad here), but sometimes I wonder if people might misinterpret my prose.
Rad - You challenged a statement about Tiesto not contributing. You didn't start that one so I guess it doesn't have much relevance. However, I do believe he has done some things to further EDM. And, FYI, Tiesto played some really uptempo psyish trance in the late nineties. I am not the biggest fan, but I'm sure it was good at the time. It certainly wasn't mainstream or, even, epic. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
OH you know what Tiesto was playing in his live shows before 1998? |
It doesn't really matter in accordance to the main point I was trying to make now does it?
| quote: | | Name two...please i would love to know who you consider underground and always throw down flawless sets...but i bet you won't name them... |
Nobody always throws down flawless sets. Surgeon, Henry Chow, Heiko Laux. I guess they aren't necessarily "underground", but they aren't exactly well known.
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by the way...popular AND undergound is an oxymoron...please please check www.dictionary.com |
Now, I don't know why you keep citing dictionary.com since you've obviously never visited that site, but I meant that out of all the dj's I like, some are underground and some are not.
| quote: | | I won't dispute the fact that Tiesto is not as good as he used to be, because i would be lieing. But to say he is not good is absurd...of course he is GOOD...is he great? Well that remains to be seen. I feel he used to be great and is just good now. But to say he is not good puts him in a league of a novice..which he is not. |
Is he a good trance DJ? Maybe. Is he a good DJ? No.
| quote: | | oh boy you are so sad....i never said that. I meant being INTOLERANT is being IGNORANT. |
On the contrary. Rather than being intolerant because i'm uneducated, unaware, or uninformed(ignorant), i'm intolerant because i'm educated, aware, and informed on the subject. Or at least moreso than some others.
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Because you misinform people with your nonsense on Tiesto. |
I don't advise people to believe anything I say.
| quote: | | So who IS a good DJ?...please name one. |
Out of all I know of, probably qbert. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
It doesn't really matter in accordance to the main point I was trying to make now does it? |
Well you are the one made a statement about it...and i refuted it...but it is just like you to shift your arguement when you get shown.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Nobody always throws down flawless sets. Surgeon, Henry Chow, Heiko Laux. I guess they aren't necessarily "underground", but they aren't exactly well known. |
LOL that is all i have to say.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Is he a good trance DJ? Maybe. Is he a good DJ? No.. |
LOL...you really make no sense. With your reasoning no Trance, tech or house DJ is good.
Tiesto may not be a fantastic mixer but Tiesto is WITH OUT A DOUBT a good all around DJ. He get's the crowds going and makes everyone have a good time...that is the unwritten definition of a good DJ.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
On the contrary. Rather than being intolerant because i'm uneducated, unaware, or uninformed(ignorant), i'm intolerant because i'm educated, aware, and informed on the subject. Or at least moreso than some others... |
But see you are not educated, informed or aware of Tiesto. You really aren't..you have tryed to tlak about Tiesto's past plenty of times and every time i catch you i make you look wrong everytime.
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Out of all I know of, probably qbert. |
Comparing Tiesto to Qbert is like saying the Rolling Stones are a better group then Megadeath. They are different genres entirely. Again you make no sense. |
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