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What happened to The Guvernment (pg. 4)
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| kron |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Next time Guv is like that I am going to call TPS and Metro Fire on my cell and complain (while inside the club). |
good idea ; ) |
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| Pettiscool |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Next time Guv is like that I am going to call TPS and Metro Fire on my cell and complain (while inside the club). |
best of luck to you but.
good luck getting a hold of fire prevention outside of business hours.
if you want the cops , they're outside the main entrance. |
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| Crazy Serb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pettiscool
if you want the cops , they're outside the main entrance. |
I don't think he'll be trying to get ahold of "those" cops... |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by jagr89
I admit that I'm still fairly green to this whole rave/dance party scene. I started this journey back in 2001 after a trip to Ibiza. So naturally upon my return I started going to guv and kewlhaus events.
At the time the crowds in either section were always great. People just there having an awesome time, dancing, chatting, meeting new friends, and the vibe was just so fun. You hardly ever got slammed from your position so some big shirtless sweaty gorilla could get over and "molest" some hottie dancing on the other side of the club.
The last few months at guv I've started noticing a change in the clientelle. The crowd is getting much rougher and way pushy. I've got no problem with somebody trying to get past me, but what ever happened to that friendly tap on the shoulder letting you know somebody was coming through.
Last night at the Oakenfold show, was quite possibly my worst ever experience at Guv. Yes the music was fantastic, but the crowd was absolutely incredible - and not in the good-back-in-the-day sense. I'm a fairly big guy and can usually hold my own, but last night i was ragdolled constantly. Guys and gals all just shoving people out of the way to make room for themselves. The place is rammed to the rafters, what makes you think your dancing neighbour will appreciate your wild arm flapping, and leg kicking? Or you'll be able to cross the floor in record time?
I'm afraid to admit this but I fear my love affair with guv is very quickly drying up. And it's not due to the talent brought in. It's from the crowd, you can tell the regulars, and TA's cuz they still politlely move through a crowd and are quick to offer a smile. But the newbies are absolutely dreadful and should have stayed in their previous club of choice.
And one other observation, and btw I am a smoker. If you think you don't need any type of deodorant or cologne or a shower think again. Man ever since they introduced that no smoking by-law, I have come across some party goers that are downright toxic! (the smoke covered a lot of these foul smells) And when you are jammed on the dance floor, packed in tighter than canned sardines, it can sometimes literally take your breath away. It's just common sense, you're going out for a night of dancing and partying, just follow some good basic hygiene routines, like showering and deodorizing beforehand. It's somewhat understandable at 6 or 7 in the morning, but not at 1130pm. |
Interesting point, I agree with several reasons, disagree with others.
My main point is, some of those and a bunch of personal reasons have literally turned me off from clubbing. I havent been clubbing since June ,and I dont know if I'll ever go clubbing again - I love the music and all, but the experience of it at the clubs is never completely satisfactory, sometimes a "turn off" experience, discouraging - either the set sucks, or the place is smoked up, or its packed, or the sound/effects are awful, or somebody spoils your night, etc. etc. ... life is stressful enough, I got lots of problems, I DONT EVER want my favourite music become one of them.
Hopefully some of you will understand my statement ... especially those of you who think I am dead wrong. |
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| Jayx1 |
Why not call the media as well? We all know how impartial they are :rolleyes:
If you want to hurt a club like the guvernment then you will end up hurting everyone because we all know how the media and politicians like to scare everyone by painting everything with the same brush.
How about if you don't like something, DONT GO! |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
If we are going to get into economics then we should be questioning why Oakenfold charges 10s of thousands of dollars for a 2 hour set. |
Basic principals of supply and demand really. Oakenfold charges 10's of thousands, because he can, because at the end of the day, clubs know they will recoup that amount (plus make a profit of course) when oakie spins at their venue. Judging by your recent posts, i'm sure it's something that irks you, seeing as how no Toronto resident will ever get that much for a 2 hour set...but then again, no Toronto resident has done for EDM what Oakenfold has, so why should they ?
BTW, i don't love Oakie and i don't really believe he should get 10's of thousands for his crappy sets...but if a QB can get millions for throwing a ball around ever sunday, and Vince can make millions for shooting bad jumps, then Oakie deserves the money and fame he has built up over the years, as one of the pioneers of the electronic dance world.
The day people stop going to Oakie's sets, and clubs stop booking him months in advance, his prices will drop to an equalibrium point. That's economics for ya. |
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| Jayx1 |
It pisses me off because someone who plays practically the same set for 2 hours does not deserve that kind of money. Give me a DJ who actually researches music instead of having it handed to him. Give me a DJ who plays new fresh and upfront music and give me a DJ who is technically a good DJ.
Oakenfold is none of those. If we were to compare the 2 intl DJs of the weekend, Zabiela is much more deserving of a royal sum than oakenfold. At least this guy delivers a good set everytime and its not always the same rehashed BS.
For 10s of thousands of dollars we should NOT be subjected to the kind of trainwrecking that went on with oakenfold.
But who's fault is that? It's the idiots that pay the cover to go see him. Too bad supply and demand is not necissarly related to talent. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
It pisses me off because someone who plays practically the same set for 2 hours does not deserve that kind of money. Give me a DJ who actually researches music instead of having it handed to him. Give me a DJ who plays new fresh and upfront music and give me a DJ who is technically a good DJ.
Oakenfold is none of those. If we were to compare the 2 intl DJs of the weekend, Zabiela is much more deserving of a royal sum than oakenfold. At least this guy delivers a good set everytime and its not always the same rehashed BS.
For 10s of thousands of dollars we should NOT be subjected to the kind of trainwrecking that went on with oakenfold.
But who's fault is that? It's the idiots that pay the cover to go see him. Too bad supply and demand is not necissarly related to talent. |
Of course it's not. But was that ever in question when you consider Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake have has sold millions of albums in the last few years. Talent and popularity are two completely different things. One look at the winner of DJ Mags 2004 DJ poll will tell you that.
I agree as well that people like Zabiela deserve their paycheck more then fat cat rock star DJ's like Oakenfold, but lets not forget that the man is more then just a DJ. Now, that's not an excuse for his less then inspirational performances in the last few years, but when you consider the impact he has had on the EDM scene, it's not hard to figure out why people still love him so much. The mans done a lot to open up doors for younger DJ's like Zabiela to step in, which is why even though i don't rate him hihgly as a DJ, i still respect him as a electronic music pioneer.
Truth is, Oakie's never been brilliant on the decks, he's no Sasha, or Zabiela, everyone who's heard his live mixes knows his skills at mixing are average at best -- what Oakie's always been decent at is giving the crowd a spectacle, and that's why they go to his show. It's his track selection which a lot of other DJ's have copied over the years. It's sad then that with the unfettered access he has to new material he opts for the lazy way out and doesn't bother to go and use his talent in finding that next club gem instead of just looking back in the perfecto cupboard for a record he's been whoring.
So, while i personally wouldn't pay to go see Oakie spin a rehashed set, i can see why people who have heard his Essential Mixes for the late 1990's and his GU & Trancepot CD's still believe that on his day, Paul Oakenfold is truly deserving of the title of a superstar DJ.
With success however, comes the curse of losing the hunger which propels DJ's into the higher echelons. Oakie's clearly lost that drive which made him such an icon back in the days...but that only means the door is left open for new pretenders to step up and show the world that they deserve to be on that stage, behind the decks...and that kind of competition is good for clubbers and fans alike. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
BTW, i don't love Oakie and i don't really believe he should get 10's of thousands for his crappy sets...
The day people stop going to Oakie's sets, and clubs stop booking him months in advance, his prices will drop to an equalibrium point. That's economics for ya. |
I sencond that. Oakey's OLDER sets are all but fantastic. Surely the man might've lost his magic touch over the past 4 or so years, but people will continue coming in BIG numbers to his gigs ...
He's one of the greatest EDM DJs that has roamed this planet. Amen. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
because he can |
Damn it, you beat me to it. :p
Although you could have left out the rest of the post, because those three words pretty much say it all. ;) |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Damn it, you beat me to it. :p
Although you could have left out the rest of the post, because those three words pretty much say it all. ;) |
Lessons in brevity, from DigiNut ?? Hmmm... :p
:D |
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| crazedcanuck |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
He's one of the greatest EDM DJs that has roamed this planet. Amen. |
He merely launched a Trance compilation @ the right time, and did some good remixes of amatuer production quality.
That lead to supastardom in the late 90's, and hollywood soundtracks, a piss-poor solo release, and a multitude of connections.
He's been riding the waves from Tranceport for years now... pray he hits a breaker wall soon...... |
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