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Line Up for BeB 2005 (pg. 5)
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| Assassin |
| quote: | Originally posted by KrinKer
Ok look
Let's give a little example ( AND I'M JUST GIVING EXAMPLE OF FEES THEY ARE NOT THE REAL FEES )
Rank-1, when they came to Aria ... they charged around 3 000 Usd + Flight and they draw ... well not that much let's say between 7-800 ppl
Tiesto, on the other hand, charges 30 000 Usd + Flight and draw ... well 5000 ppl like last week
Let's do some maths now.
Rank 1
800ppl times 25$ = 20 000 $ - 10 000 $ for what the dj costs = 10 000 $
Tiesto
5000ppl Times 55$ = 275 000 $ - 80 000 $ for what the dj costs = 195 000 $
Now tell me which one, in a strictly money related situation, would you book
Also, I've said that BeB is a House Party, and it is, and in the mind of most people it will always be, they book trance dj to get more and more and more and more people into the building. I'm pretty sure, and i'm a house maniac, and i would love to see a complete house line-up for Beb, but it would mean that only 8-9-10 000 ppl would show up ( just like Black 'N blue ) Again, let's give an example ( again, not real numbers, just and example )
And All out house line-up would, and you will agree with me, bring only people that like house ( 2000 ppl ), and those who just go there because it's a big party ( 5 000 ppl ) that means around 7 000 ppl Times 80 $ = 560 000 $
If you put a house/trance/techno/progressive line-up, you will lose some die hard fans of some genre, but will will gain 3 other genre maniacs, so people that like house ( 1000 ) people that like trance ( 1000 ) people that like techno ( 1000 ) people that like progressive ( 1000 ) people that just go there because it's a big party ( 5000 ) that means around 9 000 ppl times 80 $ = 720 000
I think it's Obvious why they would want to diversify their line-up !
KrinKer |
I bet that 95% of the people (or the vast majority) who went to Tiesto last week, also went to BeB, thus making your logic flawed. For your example, I will assume that 80% of people who went to Tiesto also went to BeB becasue of the name and not because of the trance (because its not a trance party).
by your logic, you would only expect 1000 people who are there just to see a trance DJ. These are people who would not go to the event if there wasnt trance. If you booked Tiesto, these 1000 people would probably show up. At $80,000 pricetag, thats $0 profit (at $80/ticket). Now, if you had say a breaks DJ who charges $10,000 (which is about right for the #1 breaks DJ in the world), you might get 300 people who wouldnt go otherwise. Again, at $80/ticket your profit is $14,000 ($24,000 - 10,000). However, the ticket price might be $10/person cheaper becasue theres no Tiesto or similar DJ requesting an insane amount of money. This might draw in that extra 700 people that Tiesto would pull in over said breaks DJ. These will be people who are there because its a massive party, and dont really care what the lineup is. So at $70/ticket thats $60,000 profit as opposed to zero for having Tiesto.
So basically, at a party like BeB, I dont really see the point in booking a huge trance DJ that costs an insane amount of money, when you can get the #1 breaks DJ in the world and make more money by drawing less people.
This is all hypotheitical, and I am using your logic of course. |
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| Deejiuana |
Why is this so complicated????
If 5000 ppl attended Tiesto this friday, u can say that something like 75% of those ppl WOULD go to BeB if he was booked.
thus, u'll b havin more $$$!
doh.... |
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| Assassin |
No, what I am saying is that 80% of the crowd for Tiesto probably went to BeB. Everyone I know who went to Tiesto also went to BeB this year. They are there because its a big party. and its cool to go to these parties. They dont care if its trance/prog/techno/house. Die hard trance fans were probably a minority in this case. My friends told me that several people asked if Tiesto was playing yet...they didnt even know who he was!
The same crowd who go to Tiesto are the same crowd that go to BeB/Cream/Celebration. They are clubbers, not trance fans.
This practice is actually really complicated, and this is why its so hard to make lineups for these types of events. You cant satisfy everyone, and promoters are always looking for the maximum profit. |
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| Assassin |
I think a more accurate number could have been established by asking all the people at Tiesto if:
1) they went to BeB 2004
2) If they are planning on going to BeB 2005 (list past headliners if needed) @ $80/ticket.
What do you think would be the percentage of those 5000 people who would answer yes to #1 and #2? |
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| Deejiuana |
Assassin...
| quote: | | My friends told me that several people asked if Tiesto was playing yet |
this means that the guy prolly only came for tiesto
n trust me, yes, u do have a lot of ppl that go there cuz it's a big event but u also have a LOT of ppl that go there just for one dj out of like 10...
last year, those same 15 ppl that i know who went there for PVD n AVB went in like 30 minutes before PVD started playin n left not even 10 minutes after AVB was done...
Damn, organizers must love those fans........
so, in conclusion: big name (tiesto/avb/pvd) = more ppl comin = more tickets sold = more cash for organizers.... |
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| Deejiuana |
Question #1 - somethin like 50%
Question #2 - something like 80% at leasttttttt.....(if u tell them that either tiesto or avb or pvd would b spinnin) |
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| Assassin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Deejiuana
Question #1 - somethin like 50%
Question #2 - something like 80% at leasttttttt.....(if u tell them that either tiesto or avb or pvd would b spinnin) |
you can tell them that Deep Dish is spinning, and you will still get 80%, and thats my point. Tell them that Sander K is spinning, and youll get 80%. Tell them that Preach is spinning, and youll get a high %. Tell them that Rank 1 is playing, and you will still get a high %. Tell them that the #1 breaks DJ in the world is playing and you will get a high %. Hell, dont even tell them who is spinning, and you will get a high %.
Booking someone like Mauro Picotto, or Carl Cox will draw just as many people as Tiesto will. And it makes more sense to book them because they havent been to Montreal in quite some time. Hell, they might draw more than Tiesto because they havent been around in a while.
Im not looking at this as a fan of any sort of music. I am only looking at this from a business aspect. As I always do in all my discussions. |
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| KrinKer |
Look guys
We'll never agree on that matter
Why not call it quit, and try to get back to the REAL TOPIC !!
Please !
KrinKer |
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| KA0S |
| quote: | Originally posted by KrinKer
Look guys
We'll never agree on that matter
Why not call it quit, and try to get back to the REAL TOPIC !!
Please !
KrinKer |
There's no reason to backpeddle man. We've just pointed out with a few VERY GOOD examples on how booking a cheaper headliner, with a known name, will still net you profit, no matter what the draw is. When you book the likes of Tiesto, you have to worry about selling a number of tickets to pay for his fees. So if the crowd you brought in for Tiesto, covers the fees he's charging, and you make $1000 on top of his fees(as an example), why not book someone cheaper, and make a better profit from that one Trance DJ, which apparently the party isn't about anyway? It makes perfect business logic, and I'm not sure where the confusion is when it comes to profit margin for different DJ's. |
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| Trancender |
| just having Markus come to this event would be amazing him and lets say armin or tiesto. everything else well i don't really care as long as they play hard! can't wait to see the real line up should be interesting. |
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| KrinKer |
| quote: | Originally posted by KA0S
There's no reason to backpeddle man. We've just pointed out with a few VERY GOOD examples on how booking a cheaper headliner, with a known name, will still net you profit, no matter what the draw is. When you book the likes of Tiesto, you have to worry about selling a number of tickets to pay for his fees. So if the crowd you brought in for Tiesto, covers the fees he's charging, and you make $1000 on top of his fees(as an example), why not book someone cheaper, and make a better profit from that one Trance DJ, which apparently the party isn't about anyway? It makes perfect business logic, and I'm not sure where the confusion is when it comes to profit margin for different DJ's. |
Dude
514 tried to do things this way 2-3 years back, and well they didn't have more than 4-5000ppl with "smaller" dj's and lower price tickets , now, with cream and celebration line-up, they are around 7-8000ppl, with "bigger" dj's and higher price tickets.
Go figure why there's so many ppl in 514's parties now that the line-up are back and great with BIG headliner
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| DJ Charlie |
ok
Why are you guys arguying with numbers ?!?!
Have you ever thrown a huge event like this to know where all the money really goes ?
Have you ever thrown a party ? with worldwide known DJs ?
first, ask yourself... are you doing a party to satisfy your musical needs or are here to make money out of it ?
second, BeB is in 5 month ! its the Holidays now !
and its not even you who are organising the party. the dj bookers doesn't care what you want to see at the party, he will book the available djs for the night, choosing does who can garantee $$$$$$.
not book someone just to hear a classic they made 5 years ago |
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