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Line Up for BeB 2005 (pg. 6)
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| Assassin |
| quote: | Originally posted by KrinKer
Dude
514 tried to do things this way 2-3 years back, and well they didn't have more than 4-5000ppl with "smaller" dj's and lower price tickets , now, with cream and celebration line-up, they are around 7-8000ppl, with "bigger" dj's and higher price tickets.
Go figure why there's so many ppl in 514's parties now that the line-up are back and great with BIG headliner
KrinKer |
But they have the big names already in house/prog/techno for BeB. Why waste money on a huge trance DJ when its not even a trance party?
You are going around in circles here dude. First you say that BeB isnt a trance party, and now you are saying that because of big name trance DJs, BeB is more successful. Which one is it? |
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| DJ Charlie |
quelle tête dure...
SMALL DJS SMALL VENUES
BIG DJS BIG VENUES
Thats how it works for making $$$
and as for BeB, if by chance they give you a Trance dj.. considere yourself pleased. |
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| KrinKer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Assassin
But they have the big names already in house/prog/techno for BeB. Why waste money on a huge trance DJ when its not even a trance party?
You are going around in circles here dude. First you say that BeB isnt a trance party, and now you are saying that because of big name trance DJs, BeB is more successful. Which one is it? |
You got things are screwed up
I was trying to say that DIVERSITY made Beb Bigger than it was ! !!!
Beb is still known in Montreal to be a House party, hence why most of its line-up is House !
KrinKer |
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| Assassin |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Charlie
ok
Why are you guys arguying with numbers ?!?!
Have you ever thrown a huge event like this to know where all the money really goes ?
Have you ever thrown a party ? with worldwide known DJs ?
first, ask yourself... are you doing a party to satisfy your musical needs or are here to make money out of it ?
second, BeB is in 5 month ! its the Holidays now !
and its not even you who are organising the party. the dj bookers doesn't care what you want to see at the party, he will book the available djs for the night, choosing does who can garantee $$$$$$.
not book someone just to hear a classic they made 5 years ago |
Are you asking this question to Krinker or me? I was just using numbers he gave out to prove that his point is incorrect by using his logic.
Also...since when is organising a theoretical lineup for a party against the rules? Theres really no harm in discussing this, is there? These are the types of discussions that give a message board life. Something that gets people involved in something other than penis jokes. Everyone here knows that they have no influence on the final lineup. I discuss for the sake of discussing. Im a fan of trance, and im showing that having the #1 trance DJ in the world at Montreal's biggest party just doesnt make sense by using Krinker's logic. If we were using my logic, then it would be a different discussion. But thats for another time. |
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| DJ Charlie |
| quote: | Originally posted by KrinKer
You got things are screwed up
I was trying to say that DIVERSITY made Beb Bigger than it was ! !!!
Beb is still known in Montreal to be a House party, hence why most of its line-up is House !
KrinKer |
And before it was known as a gay party...
You still feel like seeing A&B at Beb ? |
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| Assassin |
| quote: | Originally posted by KrinKer
You got things are screwed up
I was trying to say that DIVERSITY made Beb Bigger than it was ! !!!
Beb is still known in Montreal to be a House party, hence why most of its line-up is House !
KrinKer |
So are you saying that the presence of trance music helped the party as a whole? That would mean your statement "In Montreal, Bal en Blanc is not known to be a TRance party. It's the complete oposite" would be incorrect, no? |
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| Assassin |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Charlie
And before it was known as a gay party...
You still feel like seeing A&B at Beb ? |
I really dont care who plays at BeB...if the lineup is good, Ill go...If it isnt, I wont go. Its not the end of the world. |
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| DJ Charlie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Assassin
So are you saying that the presence of trance music helped the party as a whole? That would mean your statement "In Montreal, Bal en Blanc is not known to be a TRance party. It's the complete oposite" would be incorrect, no? |
I would say " the presence of really BIG trance DJs helped the party as a whole for its 10th edition"
remember there was 2 room this year. |
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| Epicurus |
If any of the following are booked, I'll be a happy man
(in no particular order of preference and not that it makes one shred of a difference as to who they will end up booking):
Deep Dish (Yes, again :p -- can never get enough of them)
Steve Lawler (I'm dying to see him live)
Satoshi Tomiie
Timo Maas
Misstress Barbara
Danny Tenaglia (He would absolutely kill BeB)
Others that I wouldn't mind seeing booked include Yousef, Preach, Digweed and Chus & Ceballos.
As for the other discussion brewing in the background, I don't see why it's so hard to comprehend that booking a big-name DJ, especially for trance in a city like Montreal, will maximize your profit as opposed to booking a small-name DJ. It's all about profit margins at the end of the day, and from experience, promoters make more money by booking big-name DJs than not. In other words, despite the fact that a big-name DJ will cost you more than a small-name one, the profit you make off of him is still higher than that of a small one simply because the revenue generated from a big-name DJ is so much higher than the small-name one.
As for Krinker's point about diversity regrading musical genres, I totally agree. Palais des Congres can easily fit up to 20 000 people. Last Bal, I believe there were about 13 000 people, and there were enormous amounts of space completely barren. So it makes sense to book DJs that play other forms of music to try and fill up the place as much as possible since you know that one genre (specifically house) won't do the job all alone. In other words, instead of spending a huge amount of money to book yet another house DJ that will not bring in more than enough *additional* people on top of those going to see the other house DJs to justify his cost, it makes sense to spend that same amount of money to attract clubbers that listen to other genres of EDM (like trance or techno). Then, of course, the decision to book big-name versus small-name trance/techno DJs was discussed in the previous paragraph. |
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| Assassin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
As for the other discussion brewing in the background, I don't see why it's so hard to comprehend that booking a big-name DJ, especially for trance in a city like Montreal, will maximize your profit as opposed to booking a small-name DJ. It's all about profit margins at the end of the day, and from experience, promoters make more money by booking big-name DJs than not. In other words, despite the fact that a big-name DJ will cost you more than a small-name one, the profit you make off of him is still higher than that of a small one simply because the revenue generated from a big-name DJ is so much higher than the small-name one. |
You must have missed the post where I used Krinkers numbers to disprove that point altogether. For a huge party such as this, the extra profit generated by having a DJ that costs 80,000 as opposed to 10,000 really isnt that great. You would need 1000 people who wouldnt go to the party buy a ticket at the door if you announced that the $80,000 DJ is coming at the last moment, just to break even. You would only need 125 people to break even if you booked the $10,000 DJ at the last minute. And you can get a top name DJ for only $10,000 and still have the same diversity. Would you want to risk needing to increase your attendance 10% just to justify booking the $80,000 DJ? Or would you rather take the risk on needing to increase your attendance by 1.5% and bring in a top of the line DJ who only charges $10,000?
Under normal circumstances, Krinker's logic holds up, but for a party of this size, its a completely different nut to crack. |
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| Assassin |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Charlie
I would say " the presence of really BIG trance DJs helped the party as a whole for its 10th edition"
remember there was 2 room this year. |
So you are also disagreeing with Krinker saying that BeB is in no way a trance party at all? Because I agree with that statement 100%. |
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| DJ Charlie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Assassin
So you are also disagreeing with Krinker saying that BeB is in no way a trance party at all? Because I agree with that statement 100%. |
Not at all.
BeB is not a trance party.
BeB is a house party.
if we had trance djs in the past, it was to make people like you happy.
Personally I went to Bal en BLanc last year, paying near 100 $ only because there was Armin and Paul van Dyk.
I would have never paid that amount if small djs where booked instead.
and even if with smaller djs the cover would cost less, its a big event, big event means you have to pay a lot for a huge room, for all the lighting and sounds, all the technicians who worked for doing the setup... all this cost a lot !!!! BIG NAMES ATTRACT huge crowd which you need to pay all your fees....
Good if you agree with my statement. |
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