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First trance song ever (pg. 6)
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | All I know is that I've heard several reliable sources refer to the cut used on the video as the Pure Trance Original, and the cut on the video definitely has a kick to it, albeit a soft one.
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Then it's the video mix of the 1988 Pure Trance Original. It's not uncommon for video version to be slightly different from vinyl cuts.
Again, when folks talk about What Time Is Love? (The 1988 Pure Trance Original), they are referring to the B-Side of this. Nothing more and nothing less. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Well obviously trance was influenced by a lot of music that travelled around, maybe even what time is love. That doesn't make it the first trance track. |
You'd better not edit this while I'm replying to it...
What does then? Why can't you argue that Children is the first trance track, as it was influenced by all supposed trance before it? After all, a lot more tracks have been made that are influenced by Children than any single track that preceded it? You're "X labels, Y artists, Z tracks" argument is subjective, as there's no clear numbers when a genre starts to exist after so many people start making it. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonathanhart
Giorgio Morodor - The Chase was clearly ONE of the first trance tunes. Synthy bassline, emotionally charged melody, a solid 4/4 beat.. |
That's something...what's it called... oh yeah, DISCO.
| quote: | | The fact that people even tried to bring up late 90's club trance as the 'birth of trance' is astounding to me. |
And forget early 90's trance, where it actually began.
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Tangerine Dream, Phillip Glass, Morodor, even Mike Oldfield .. the birth of trance was definitely in the 70s.. |
What? Ambient and disco artists are not trance artists...
I think i'm the one who should be fairly astounded here. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Then it's the video mix of the 1988 Pure Trance Original. It's not uncommon for video version to be slightly different from vinyl cuts.
Again, when folks talk about What Time Is Love? (The 1988 Pure Trance Original), they are referring to the B-Side of this. Nothing more and nothing less. |
Do you own the vinyl, or the 1990 single? Because I'm very interested as to what the vinyl version sounds like, and currently nobody seems to know for sure.
EDIT: A quick scan of Discogs reveals there are more bloody remixes of this track than is funny. |
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| jonathanhart |
The Chase is not even remotely close to disco. If you were to ask 100 people to call it either trance or disco, i think the 99 people other than yourself would say it was trance.
Tangerine Dream and Glass experimented with 4/4 beat driven music in the 70s. I will dig up the specific songs if you really want me to.
And yes, early 90s artists did really start making the first tracks that they actually called 'trance' .. but if you want to measure the music based on when ppl were capable of labelling it then thats a different discussion.
Everyone knows Tiesto invented trance.. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You'd better not edit this while I'm replying to it...
What does then? Why can't you argue that Children is the first trance track, as it was influenced by all supposed trance before it? After all, a lot more tracks have been made that are influenced by Children than any single track that preceded it? You're "X labels, Y artists, Z tracks" argument is subjective, as there's no clear numbers when a genre starts to exist after so many people start making it. |
I'm not making up numbers when I say trance was a long used word by 1995. There were german trance compilations with german trance on them being released as early as 1992, not to mention a german trance duo who released their obvious trance track in 1991. Who's to say that these early compilations and artists started the word trance("techno-trance" to a lot of people) to encompass the genre of music that had the same sound? Logic mostly, logic that isn't quite as flawed as yours. Ask DJ Irish here, he's been around since then. |
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| Sykonee |
J:
I don't own the vinyl because I don't collect vinyl; only CDs for me (for their listening convienience, so don't go getting into a vinyl/CD debate).
However, I have heard that particular vinyl because I've friends who are black crack addicts, one of which owns the What Time Is Love (Pure Trance 1) EP. I picked up this and it's exactly the same. If you want to hear it for yourself, I can send you an MP3 of it if you like. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
I'm not making up numbers when I say trance was a long used word by 1995. There were german trance compilations with german trance on them being released as early as 1992, not to mention a german trance duo who released their obvious trance track in 1991. Who's to say that these early compilations and artists started the word trance("techno-trance" to a lot of people) to encompass the genre of music that had the same sound? Logic mostly, logic that isn't quite as flawed as yours. Ask DJ Irish here, he's been around since then. |
You can't prove they weren't merely "describing the feeling you get when listening to them" as many people try and pass off The KLF's use of the word "trance". And did you know there was a track called Techno-trance from 1990 by a Dutch producer called D-Shake?
Check it
Your use of the phrase made me remember the track. Is this track also a fluke, even though it sounds a hell of a lot like the trance you're defending? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
J:
I don't own the vinyl because I don't collect vinyl; only CDs for me (for their listening convienience, so don't go getting into a vinyl/CD debate).
However, I have heard that particular vinyl because I've friends who are black crack addicts, one of which owns the What Time Is Love (Pure Trance 1) EP. I picked up this and it's exactly the same. If you want to hear it for yourself, I can send you an MP3 of it if you like. |
I would very much like that, thanks. PM me.
EDIT: But not tonight. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You can't prove they weren't merely "describing the feeling you get when listening to them" as many people try and pass off The KLF's use of the word "trance". And did you know there was a track called Techno-trance from 1990 by a Dutch producer called D-Shake?
Check it
Your use of the phrase made me remember the track. Is this track also a fluke, even though it sounds a hell of a lot like the trance you're defending? |
Apparently We Came In Peace and Age Of Love were both originally if not officially released in 1990 as well. And there are a few tracks I think sound a lot like trance myself from 1989 such as this and this. But of course they're German techno records, not trance. Even if they had the word trance somewhere in the title they would still be german techno. You'll notice that Force Legato is Oliver Lieb, who went on to make some of the finest trance. I wonder what his influences were.
Additionally, there was a lot of music before 1990 with the word trance in the title but it was never used as a cohesive to describe one musically similar sound. Check It
However, those crazy Germans were describing the feeling they got when listening to it as well. It just so happened that it came to be the name of the genre.
Check It
Check It
Check It
Accede it
Read it
Don't feed it
It took yo momma nine months to seed it
Makes no sense
What a coincidence
And Check It
Oh noes
Dem hoes!
Uh oh!
Guh??
Oooo weee!!
Hot damn!
Eeeeew!
You'll wan to check this one too.
Check check check it out
Droppin' balls
Rent rent rent it out
Booberry
How ironic
WHAAAAAT!!!
OKAAAAAY!!!
I could go on and on...but aside from the several obvious uses of the word Trance as a noun, it's a mighty coincidence that all those trance related releases would come about in so relatively little a time and mostly from germany when the sound of techno was taking on a more melodic and hypnotic edge via Eye Q, MFS, and Harthouse (1991-1994), don't you think?
I think i'll end this post with a quote from the liner notes of this fine CD compiled by Kris Needs(UK, 1995):
| quote: | I first became aware of Harthouse Records when the warm and sexy future-groove of Sven Vath's 'Barbarella' hit our import shops in '91 and became a staple of many a UK DJ's set. Releases from the likes of Oliver Lieb, Cosmic Baby, Pulse, Cybordelics, Arpeggiators and Resistance D filtered through, Hardfloor's 'Hardtrance Acperience' blew everyone away over Christmas '92 and the Frankfurt label's spotters' trump card was that all the singles were kept to a limited couple of thousand.
It was all high quality German trance - which I renamed with a trouser appendage when the word became hopelessly abused and taken much too seriously.... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
I actually remember reading a biog of The KLF, describing them playing WTIL's 23 (an Illuminati reference) minute version in Dutch clubs, and on one occasion, selling off the club's equipment to the crowd mid-performance. And then there's a Dutch producer who makes several productions and remixes in 1990. Music travels.
You seem absolutely insistent that the first trance track has to link with the German scene that started producing it. Unless you cohesively prove that WTIL isn't trance, all the post 1991 German trance records in the world won't somehow stop it being trance.
I again point you at acid house. Started in Chicago circa 87, comes to the UK a year or so later, explodes. There were acid house records in the UK top 5, massive raves going on... a national public event. Did acid house have this level of exposure in the US?
The difference is, acid house was much more popular than trance. Trance remained underground until 1996, while acid house was practically pop music a year or two after it took off. Now, I maintain WTIL is trance. It doesn't sound like The KLF's ambient music (listen to Chill Out) and they even made a Ambient Mix of it. It isn't acid house either. The difference between it and whatever the 1980 track with trance you dug up is it actually sounds like trance, it's made on the same instruments, and it's post-MIDI instead of analogue. |
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| Dj_Olancho |
Well 4 me the first trance I ever hearded was "Tecknotronics - Move this"
I think :p :p :p |
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