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| Subey |
The reason why Radagast wants to associate it with Germany is that subconsciously he's trying to work his way to...
Front 242 - W.Y.H.I.W.Y.G.
From 1987's seminal release Official Version
That's my guess anyway! |
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| Sykonee |
| Maybe it's just the Kraftwerk thing (which all EDM can be traced back to, anyways). |
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| Ishkur |
"trance", as a genre proper, was probably coined by Mark Reeder, and his MFS label was probably the first actual trance label. (predating Eye-Q/Harthouse). This is sometime around 1990.
For the first trance music that legitimized the existence of something called "trance" (without actually calling it so), that would likely be Genesis P-Orridge's Psychic TV project in the mid-late 80s (don't bother getting it. None of you will probably like it, as it doesn't sound anything remotely like what you know trance sounds like today). The first artists to toy with trance were EBM/industrial afficionados. The fascination was fleeting, however, and industrial's relationship trance all but evaporated by the early 90s. The last industrial artist to put out a trance album was Coil, with Love's Secret Domain in 91. Trance thereafter was controlled and coddeled by second generation acid house and ambient producers. |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
For the first trance music that legitimized the existence of something called "trance" (without actually calling it so), that would likely be Genesis P-Orridge's Psychic TV project in the mid-late 80s (don't bother getting it. None of you will probably like it, as it doesn't sound anything remotely like what you know trance sounds like today) |
The issue isn't wether or not we will like it... it's wether or not we will agree with your assesment.
How about naming a specific track from Psychic tv's output that we can examine.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
The first artists to toy with trance were EBM/industrial afficionados.
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So like...
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
Front 242 - W.Y.H.I.W.Y.G.
From 1987's seminal release Official Version
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| Radagast |
| Now how could we forget GOA? In that case i'd pick "Just Fascination" by Cabaret Voltaire (1983) as the first trance song ever. Maybe "Silent Command" (1979). |
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| DjEuphoria |
A brief history of trance music
In a social and artistic rebellion in 1986, young Mexican girls from east Los Angeles created a new musical style called "tantra" which was later called "trans" then "trance." This was a moving away from the traditional violent gang oriented hip-hop their boyfriends created. This art form also became "melody" and "speed" which transformed into early House music. Early house was melodic and faster than hip-hop, usually with female vocals having love, hope, dreams, romance and togetherness as the subject matter. It was a predecessor to most of today's modern electronic and rave music.
Elements of what would become trance music were being explored by industrial artists in the late 1980s. Most notably, Psychic TV's 1989 album Towards Thee Infinite Beat, featuring drawn out and monotonous patterns with short but repeating voice samples, is considered by some to be the first trance album. The intent was to make sound that was hypnotic to its listeners.
These industrial artists were largely dissociated from rave culture, and their trance albums were generally experiments, not an attempt to start a new genre with an associated culture -- they remained firmly rooted culturally in industrial and avant-garde music. As trance became to take off in the rave culture, most of these artists abandoned the genre; Coil's 1991 album Love's Secret Domain is probably the last major trance album by an industrial artist.
As a genre in its own right, trance is said to have begun as an off-shoot of techno in German clubs during the early 1990s. The name derived in 1991 from a project of Dag Lerner (DJ Dag) and Rolf Ellmer (Jam El Mar) called Dance2Trance. Their song "We Came In Peace" is considered by many to be the song that set the definition of trance. Arguably a fusion of techno and house, early trance shared much with techno in terms of the tempo and rhythmic structures but also added more melodic overtones which were appropriated from the style of house popular in Europe's club scene at that time. (Interestingly enough, that style of house was referred to as "club" or "Euro.") However, the melodies in trance differed from Euro/club in that although they tended to be emotional and uplifting, they did not "bounce around" in the same way that house did. This early trance tended to be characterized by the anthemic qualities described above, and typically involved a break-down portion of the song in which the beat was dropped for a few bars to focus on the melody before bringing the beat back with a renewed intensity. The sounds used in trance tended to be produced by analog synthesizers (or recently, digital simulations of analog synthesizers, often called virtual analog synthesizers), with lush "strings" providing the basis for the melodies and pads, while similar analog equipment was used to produce basic bass notes and the regimented "four-on-the-floor" drum loops. This style became instantly popular in Europe and spread very quickly. Before long, trance was spawning sub-genres such as dream trance, acid trance, hard trance, and Goa. (NOTE: Goa and psy-trance are arguably older, with their characteristic sounds purportedly emerging in Israel as far back as 1991.)
By the mid-1990s, trance had emerged commercially as one of the dominant genres of EDM. Immensely popular, trance found itself filling a niche as edgier than house, more soothing than drum-n-bass, and more accessible than techno. By this time, trance had become synonymous with progressive house and both genres essentially subsumed each other under the commercial banner of "progressive." Artists like Brian Transeau (BT), Paul Van Dyk, Ferry Corsten (Art of Trance), and Underworld came to the forefront as premier producers and remixers, bringing with them the emotional, "epic" feel of the style. Meanwhile, DJs like Paul Oakenfold, Sasha, and John Digweed were championing the sound in the clubs and through the sale of pre-recorded mixes. By the end of the 1990s, trance remained commercially huge but had fractured into an extremely diverse genre. Some of the artists that had helped create the trance sound in the early and mid-1990s were, by the end of the decade, branching out with more experimental work (artists of particular note here are BT and Underworld). Perhaps as a consequence, similar things were happening with the DJs as well; for example, Sasha and Digweed, who together had helped bring the progressive sound to the forefront, all but abandoned it by 2000, instead spinning a darker mix of the rising "deep trance" style (as marked by the duo's 2000 release, "Communicate").
Contemporary trance culture is heavily intertwined with drugs. Many of the features characteristic of it such as frequent breakdowns, easily accessible melodies and fast tempos could be argued to be specifically implemented to complement or even enhance the sensations of taking ecstasy - a drug that is near-ubiquitous at trance events across the world.
At present (and as alluded to earlier), trance is as much about who plays the music as it is about what it sounds like. Many artists described as producing a very powerful trance sound (e.g., Underworld's "Cowgirl" from 1994 remains a floor-filler) have most recently released tracks more suggestive of techno (Underworld's "Moaner" from 1998); DJs like John Digweed, known for spinning scintillating trance anthems in 1996, turn to a darker, housier sound in 2000. All the while, new artists and DJs enter the fold, either taking over the vacancies left in the anthemic, "progressive" arena (e.g., DJ Tïesto and ATB), or else introducing new forms, modes, and themes (e.g., Sander Kleinenberg and Steve Lawler).
For more concrete examples, check out any number of purported trance compilations; perhaps the most highly recommendable source would be the Global Underground series, including its "Nubreed" sub-series, because it captures the diversity of the genre as expressed through many of its brightest DJ talents. Also recommended as source material would be the Tranceport/Perfecto Presents... series, any of Sasha & Digweed's Northern Exposure mixes, and any of the mixes in the Renaissance series. Labels to reference would include 3Beat, Bedrock, Devolution, Fluid, Fragrant, Hooj Choons, Hook, Perfecto, Positiva, and Yoshi Toshi and ATCR Trance Music
another website which shows sub-genres of Trance and there history is
http://www.moodbook.com/music/tranc...y-and-evolution
Now what I want to know is, who created EDM in the first place, and whats up with the Dj Franki Bones, like he was the first person to bring EDM or Techno whatever to the U.S or something. Anyone know about him? |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by feri
I disagree. People love saying stuff like you, but the truth is that in most EDM style it is possible define the first song. If we look at trance music at the begining, it is a mixture of the techno music samples with the speed of house music. So if you look back into the history it is easy to see that Age of love (or some ppl say: we came in peace) was the first song.
The same situation can be seen with house music : "it was an evolution, so no first house song", "you can't tell what was the first house song." This is false. Jamie Principle's song called On and on was the first one.
And so on with the other music styles. |
I disagree, and you also kind of proved my point. You said that it's "a mixture of the techno music samples with the speed of house music." Right there is exactly what I'm getting at. Trance evolved by blending, as you said yourself, various styles of EDM, most of which was House. Thus it evolved and it's unfair to say that there was a "first trance song." |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjEuphoria
A brief history of trance music
Artists like Brian Transeau (BT), Paul Van Dyk, Ferry Corsten (Art of Trance), and |
LOL Ferry Corsten is not Art of Trance. LOL LOL LOL N00BZ!!!! |
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| Radagast |
Heh. Frankie Bones supposedly brought "rave" to america. Techno was invented in the US around 1985, and EDM has been in the US for much longer. Also it is said that he started the "PLUR" saying...
Who knows who made the first "EDM"? Tod Dockstader was making Electronic Music by 1960 using oscillators. Apparently the first electronc instrument was invented in 1897. Read that and figure it out for yourself. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
How about naming a specific track from Psychic tv |
Towards Thee Infinite Beat. (LP)
| quote: | Originally posted by DjEuphoria
Now what I want to know is, who created EDM in the first place, and whats up with the Dj Franki Bones, like he was the first person to bring EDM or Techno whatever to the U.S or something. Anyone know about him? |
EDM.....hmmm. Gotta draw a line somewhere. I'd say Giorgio Moroder. electronic music existed long before then, but none of it was really danceworthy.
Frankie Bones did not bring Techno to the US, stupid. TECHNO WAS INVENTED IN THE US. But he did throw the first stateside "raves" as they are defined today. Storm Raves, back in 91 or somewhere thereabouts, in NY. Legend purports that at one particular party in 93 in which a fight broke out, he jumped up on the tables, grabbed a mic and shouted "If you guys don't show some peace, love and unity right now I'm going to break your faces."
Peace, Love.....Unity. Kids talked about the speech he made after that for awhile. Told others about it. They called it the Peace Love and Unity Movement. Or PLUM.
That may all be bollocks though. No one can substantiate whether than actually happened, and I don't think Frankie Bones can remember whether he said it or not. He made a lot of feel-good speeches during raves in those days.
When the scene hit the west coast, the phrase was PLUR, which was something largely instigated by San Francisco scene ravers in 94 independently of Frankie Bones' influence on the east coast. In fact, I once actually traced down its exact origins to four SF kids. Three of them I lost contact with...the fourth is Brian Behlendorf, founder of Apache Server and Hyperreal.org.
Funny how things are like that. |
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| Radagast |
"It went....."never sell out to the underground sound, and I'm Brooklyn bound, and those that are down with me are for peace, love and unity."....written in early 93 on Bonesbreaks Volume 8 ..." - Frankie Bones
"Peace > Love > Unity > Respect.
As corny as it sounds...I coined that phrase." - Frankie Bones
"There was 6 of us in the entire country in the beginning of 1990.
Adam X, Jimmy Crash, Ray Love, Heather Heart, Myself and an ex-girlfriend of mine. It took 18 months to pull 5000 heads to a STORMrave. Within those 18 months we had an all-star line-up of unknown origin....now get this: Richie Hawtin, Sven Vath, Keoki, Moby, Doc Martin, Joey Beltram, Lenny Dee, Caspar Pound, Sandra Collins plus the rest of our inner circle.... " - Frankie Bones
"From 1990-1993 we kept moving our people every weekend. There were only 12 STORMraves but every week we had been doing smaller parties too..." - Frankie Bones
@DjEuphoria: As much as he wishes he did, Frankie Bones didn't invent Techno...heh. |
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| DjEuphoria |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
LOL Ferry Corsten is not Art of Trance. LOL LOL LOL N00BZ!!!! |
Hey I didn't write none of that, I just got all of that on some website. Also for whoever called me stupid, cause of the techno and frankie bones, hell I didn't know , I was just asking questions,cause I remember somewhere hearing about how he brought the scene or whatever to U.S when he had a concert or show at some place in front of 5,000 or something people, and he played Techno, and that was like the first time anybody really heard of it here in the U.S.
Hell I dont know, just wondering. |
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