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CDJ User, downloading music legally ? (pg. 2)
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by mndeg
best you can find is usually 192 kbps |
He asked for legal stuff so stop talking about illegal mp3s :rolleyes: |
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| djsphere |
I use audiojelley from time to time. And I have one question: do you notice any diference betwen 192kbps and 320kbps (after you burned them to audio cd), when you play on a club system. It's legal to play this tunes in clubs right?
Thanks! |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by djsphere
I use audiojelley from time to time. And I have one question: do you notice any diference betwen 192kbps and 320kbps (after you burned them to audio cd), when you play on a club system. It's legal to play this tunes in clubs right?
Thanks! |
The difference between 192 and 320 isn't something worth troubling yourself over.
When you consider the fact you'll never be playing on a perfect sound system, the sound already has so many opportunities to lose quality.
You may lose in the higher and lower end.
And yes you are allowed to play these tunes in clubs; if the club pay copyright licensing etc like they are supposed to when you play vinyl. |
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| Max Thomson |
| quote: | Originally posted by mndeg
i doubt you can find perfect high quality songs illegally anyway |
I wish that was true. |
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| djlithium |
digital mixing is evil, on CD, software or final hack or otherwise.
Besides, if you digital mixing clowns took two seconds to read the licensing agreements (end user) for any of the digital download services you would find that what you intend to use them for, is NOT permitted in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
They are for single use only. |
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| djlithium |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdat
The difference between 192 and 320 isn't something worth troubling yourself over.
When you consider the fact you'll never be playing on a perfect sound system, the sound already has so many opportunities to lose quality.
You may lose in the higher and lower end.
And yes you are allowed to play these tunes in clubs; if the club pay copyright licensing etc like they are supposed to when you play vinyl. |
Also, it't not about bit rate. You obviously know jack about analog sound reproduction and translation from digital to that domain. It's about SAMPLE rate.
Truth is, to get what you need in digital for replication of the sound a 45rpm (better at 78RPM) recorded using direct to disc metal mastering cutting gear (rare, but its out there) - you would have to record at a minimum of 96khz 24bit audio uncompressed. |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
digital mixing is evil, on CD, software or final hack or otherwise.
Besides, if you digital mixing clowns took two seconds to read the licensing agreements (end user) for any of the digital download services you would find that what you intend to use them for, is NOT permitted in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
They are for single use only. |
wow... some of the best DJs in the world are clowns... good to know.
if you would read the fine print on many many many vinyls, it states "not for public presentation or commercial use" bla bla. so it's the same game. also, i don't know where you get this from, because if memory serves, either beatport, or EDMdigital, states that they offer in 192kbps and 320kbps, for the home listener and professional DJ alike.
from the first 4 words of your post, i should have known it was useless and not bothered reading it. |
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| djlithium |
It is specifically stated in many of the digital download sites end user agreements that the individual tracks may not be used in a "compiled manner".
And did you read the other part about it not being about BIT RATE, but FREQUENCY SAMPLE RATE!??
No, of course not.
And yes, I have personally attacked digital mixing djs, from bedroom all the way up to the top of the A list including some who support our vinyl releases from our artists for copying the vinyl and putting it into CD form and using it for a mix.That is STRICTLY against OUR licensing system - however if you read the fine print on our records, vinyl Djs when using our tracks are granted permission for that records use ONLY for mixed use through that physical form. Stuff that in your hat.
Clowns they are. But I will give them the opportunity to redeem themselves shortly.
Name another label that is doing this for the best interests of the industry and you will be pointing out those who actually care about the current state of affairs. Unfortunately we are the only label known at this time world wide that is doing this. We intend to change that and I will explain how shortly and the reasons why EVERYONE should completely REJECT digital mixing in all forms for underground dance music from a cultural prospective as well as the bottom line.
Slacker assed mofos who think they need to bring 100's of tracks with them to a gig will find they are completely delusional in any excuse they come up with after that in trying to justify the use of digital playback and mixing sources for performance, personal satisfaction or otherwise. |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
It is specifically stated in many of the digital download sites end user agreements that the individual tracks may not be used in a "compiled manner".
And did you read the other part about it not being about BIT RATE, but FREQUENCY SAMPLE RATE!??
No, of course not.
And yes, I have personally attacked digital mixing djs, from bedroom all the way up to the top of the A list including some who support our vinyl releases from our artists for copying the vinyl and putting it into CD form and using it for a mix.That is STRICTLY against OUR licensing system - however if you read the fine print on our records, vinyl Djs when using our tracks are granted permission for that records use ONLY for mixed use through that physical form. Stuff that in your hat.
Clowns they are. But I will give them the opportunity to redeem themselves shortly.
Name another label that is doing this for the best interests of the industry and you will be pointing out those who actually care about the current state of affairs. Unfortunately we are the only label known at this time world wide that is doing this. We intend to change that and I will explain how shortly and the reasons why EVERYONE should completely REJECT digital mixing in all forms for underground dance music from a cultural prospective as well as the bottom line.
Slacker assed mofos who think they need to bring 100's of tracks with them to a gig will find they are completely delusional in any excuse they come up with after that in trying to justify the use of digital playback and mixing sources for performance, personal satisfaction or otherwise. |
just as it is stated on many vinyl releases that you may not use such record for public performance. yes, i did read the part about sample rate, that's besides the point, i was just making reference to the fact that some digital download websites do want to cater to DJs.
you are aware that by discarding digital mixing, you take a leg off of any DJ that produces his own material/can get tracks prior to a pressing by now making them wait till the vinyl comes out? not to mention those up and coming producers, who basically get their name out by passing out CD-Rs?
if you, as an individual are against digital mixing, i think you should point out why without insulting anybody, and without trying to blatantly promote your label. nice try though. hey, it's your opinion and personal preference, and nobody can change that, i just don't see the need for you to call me a clown because i mix with CDs from time to time.
i think that even though your principles are that of perserving the vinyl format, you have to embrace technology. given the choice, i prefer vinyl by about 1% to mix with, still, i love playing my CDs. therefore, i'd be just as happy buying a vinyl record as i would be getting a new track from beatport, if they could cost the same. even then, i cruise by my local record store (which happens to be the only one in the entire country) and actually give them the info on a certain record and wait for them to bring it in, from time to time.
what does bringing many tracks to a gig have to do with this? DJs do it regardless of format, unless you want them to plan their sets ahead of time, but what's the fun in that?
you must remember, a large part (if not the most, which i reckon it is) of today's electronica is done on a computer, so what's wrong with exporting a .wav and burning it on CD to mix with? it'll sound as good as it possibly can. sure, it may not have that exact 'vinyl warmth', but that's a whole new ball game.
i think you should just chill out a bit, no need to force your opinion on others, even more so if you are as right as you claim to be. |
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| djlithium |
I will not sit idle and allow people "con'ed" into mixing digitally by others or through their own selfish justifications to contribute to the death of the dance music industry (its not about format guys, but it is VERY MUCH about control and that starts with vinyl from strictly a technical stand point but factors into a whole mess of other things).
I will back up and clarify my statements in a document that will first go to dance music industry professionals and then to the general public. It will also contain a complete and detailed outline on changing the current "model" for how things are done allowing for greater creativity and encouragement of artists in a manner that completely nulifies your statement about the benefits of people pushing new material on CD-R and the idea about how it helps out "new and up and coming talent".
Final Scratch? fuk it. I want Vinyl Victory. |
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| Inertia |
well, you just do that then, and when you succeed, then you can come back and insult people. no wait. you still can't.
dude, you sound like a minimally smart individual with a good idea, but i think being less abrasive could benefit you more than being a jackass for no reason.
something happened. people started mixing digitally. this happened a while ago. the industry lost a lot of money with illegal music trading. some fine individuals basically said "if you can't beat 'em (which you very much can't) join 'em."
they offer, for a small price, what people can still get for free. yet, we go and buy, for support. it sounds to me like you may be a little bit late. then again, what do i know, i'm just a bedroom clown.
tell you what, my e-mail is [email protected]
when your project is ready to go public, drop me a line. you might surprise me, and then, i'll have to shut up. |
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| jdat |
It's good to see some random person come out of nowhere and start blasting all of us with the single intent of flaunting their technical knowledge.
Cd's are debatable to no end, so stop figthing for the vinyl when I know the pros and cons as much as you.
If you seriously had a clue you'd realize that unfortunately for better or for worst digital is an optional route labels are going to have to take or they will fall off.
First off, there is the continuous issue of limited vinyl pressings ...... 1000 records cut, want more copies?
From a label and a customer point of view you're screwed.
It's not financially wise to repress 500 copies for most labels so often the track had one run and that will be all.
Digital here comes as a true alternative; it's the easiest R.O.I. for them and returns are much easier to manage.
There's always going to be some issues with cds there is no denying that fact.
I am still 100% for vinyl but maybe I'm too cheap or starting to get sick at the idea of paying 12$ for a record when you're starting to consider the fact you're faced with a competition for the hottest new tracks on a daily basis and once the vinyl is out ... the track is "old".
But on a side note, WHY is it that each time a dj comes in town ( and I do mean headliners ) we always end the night speaking about cds?
And in what record labels name do you speak for? |
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