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CDJ User, downloading music legally ? (pg. 5)
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
Vinyl is still outselling digital downloads and CDs by many factors and the people who play vinyl get book easier, paid to play and go further faster. Why? Because while it should be "about the music" it also helps if you can hold a mix for longer than 4 bars and give the crowd a show. Technics SL1200's are Katanas. CDDJ decks are pop(music)guns. What's more impressive to watch? |
you're actually implying that moving up in the small-name DJ ranks is dependant on skill... AND format. excuse me, but aside from this being quite far from the truth, it's also ridiculous. EVERYONE here who has tried to get a gig knows that while skill may help, connections are where it's at. that's why the best new talents remain undiscovered for the most part. then you imply vinyl is more impressive to watch, given your first statement was true, if it's just about the music, format should matter to no one, furthermore, in a hypothetical situation, how would a promoter be able to tell what the kid is playing on his promo mix CD?
you keep talking about CD DJs not being able to mix. if you've heard a CD DJ trainwrecking all over the place, i think it has absolutely nothing to do with their format. IMO, one of the smoothest mixers on this planet is Sasha. i saw him in December 2003 for instance, where he spun on both vinyl and CD, and was completely seamless. just because someone spins CDs doesn't mean they can't mix. on the contrary, i hear many people spinning only vinyl because they can't mix on CDs. i'm starting to get the feeling you are just peeved by CD decks... perhaps because you just can't get them down. "it's all about control", true, but if you need more control than the standard CD deck gives to just beatmatch a track (i mean, damn, if at least you were a turntablist) you may have a problem. today you have vinyl emulation, to cater to people that want such a thing. while many argue that it's not spot on vinyl emulation, it's quite close enough for beatmixing. you can tell me scratching on the things is ty, and you need it because you're a turntablist, and i'll have to respect it, but when you say you can't mix well on a CD deck, it just means you don't know how to mix CDs. if you can't hold a mix for longer than 4 bars on a CD deck, then my friend, you just can't mix period. |
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| Steven Hays |
| quote: | Originally posted by JM-8
PS - Why are you going into a tirade about the rights of usage for digital downloads in livesets when you are offering up downloads of live sets containing other artists work right on your website and asking money for copies of the sets? So you argue that "the big ticket is compilation mixed disc releases from djs who will play those records and license them" - so why would people go out and buy these "big-ticket" mixed compilations when people like you are offering mix CDs up for free download (or arguably charging for them without the artist's permission) on their website. |
You stole my next rebuttle. There's also singles on his site for d/l as well, you have to pay, however, but still it's the same as all mp3 sites. Except this one offers more to pay for and for tier songs.;)
And before you say it, YES I read the clause at the bottom about using them, but you can't expect people to buy songs and not use them for a functional use such a DJing. |
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| djlithium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dirk W.
Look, some of what you're saying makes sense. Other parts are just completely opinionated and unfortunately your opinion doesn't count for much right now. The reason being is that you just signed up for this, have never posted here before and then you bring all this wind about how you're right and everyone else is stupid.
You might have wanted to take a more diplomatic approach if you wanted any of your posts to be taken more seriously. I have never heard of you or your label before so by reputation alone you're not very impressive to me. Try building some rapport with people before blasting everyone.
Just some advice |
I used to have a tranceaddict account but it became littered with weasles out to counter anything with common sense. I let it lapse a long long time ago as a result since it seemed at the time the board was filled with ignorant twits with no sense of history or forward looking direction. Normally I would take a diplomatic approach but frankly I could careless who I piss off at this point because there is no stopping what I have to say and will put foward shortly (yeah I know I have been saying that for a week now, but its a big big piece of work to put clearly into terms while explaining its functions and the process to enable what I wish to suggest as an alternative to the current state of affairs) and that will be all the diplomacy and comment time I will dedicate to tranceaddict forums. It's largely a waste of time. Actions speak louder than right??? :) |
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| djlithium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Steven Hays
You stole my next rebuttle. There's also singles on his site for d/l as well, you have to pay, however, but still it's the same as all mp3 sites. Except this one offers more to pay for and for tier songs.;)
And before you say it, YES I read the clause at the bottom about using them, but you can't expect people to buy songs and not use them for a functional use such a DJing. |
Actually as the copyright owner/licensor etc etc. I can dictate terms on use. That's copyright law. |
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| djlithium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
you're actually implying that moving up in the small-name DJ ranks is dependant on skill... AND format. excuse me, but aside from this being quite far from the truth, it's also ridiculous. EVERYONE here who has tried to get a gig knows that while skill may help, connections are where it's at. that's why the best new talents remain undiscovered for the most part. then you imply vinyl is more impressive to watch, given your first statement was true, if it's just about the music, format should matter to no one, furthermore, in a hypothetical situation, how would a promoter be able to tell what the kid is playing on his promo mix CD?
you keep talking about CD DJs not being able to mix. if you've heard a CD DJ trainwrecking all over the place, i think it has absolutely nothing to do with their format. IMO, one of the smoothest mixers on this planet is Sasha. i saw him in December 2003 for instance, where he spun on both vinyl and CD, and was completely seamless. just because someone spins CDs doesn't mean they can't mix. on the contrary, i hear many people spinning only vinyl because they can't mix on CDs. i'm starting to get the feeling you are just peeved by CD decks... perhaps because you just can't get them down. "it's all about control", true, but if you need more control than the standard CD deck gives to just beatmatch a track (i mean, damn, if at least you were a turntablist) you may have a problem. today you have vinyl emulation, to cater to people that want such a thing. while many argue that it's not spot on vinyl emulation, it's quite close enough for beatmixing. you can tell me scratching on the things is ty, and you need it because you're a turntablist, and i'll have to respect it, but when you say you can't mix well on a CD deck, it just means you don't know how to mix CDs. if you can't hold a mix for longer than 4 bars on a CD deck, then my friend, you just can't mix period. |
I can mix on CDs easily. I choose not to because its BORING AS FUK, among other reasons.
And another thing, Sasha has to be one of the most boring DJs to listen to or watch. No offense to the guy I just don't like the term "progressive" being applied to music that goes no where. That's sasha/digweed/bedrock.
But this is my opinion based on observation. I would rather keep the names out of it frankly because like whoever they want for whatever reasons. But I don't like sasha not for his playing on CDs but from shear bordem in listening to and of his sets or seeing him play. Sleepy time tunes. |
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| Steven Hays |
| Tunes Sasha and Diggers cane are far more advanced and skilled then anything coming from your labels...not an opinion, but a fact.;) |
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| Steven Hays |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
Actually as the copyright owner/licensor etc etc. I can dictate terms on use. That's copyright law. |
Hypocrisy is wonderful isn't it? Don't expect other websites to do as you suggest, because it is of their best interest and dictation to allow people to buy and use them. All your statements are bogus!
I can disagree with your comments for as long as it takes, and what's funny is you're the only one on the otherside of this arguement. Is there something ringing a bell here yet?:D |
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| djlithium |
Just you wait there sparky.
Just you wait. |
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| jdat |
You keep mentioning this PLAN you have yet dont give any details about it.
Now you'll honestly have to pardon my ignorance or lack of proper reading skills; I did go through the FAQs of edmdigital and beatport and I'm having a hard time to decipher where they mention NOT being authorized to play their content in a mixed/public matter. Please guide me and I will be humble and recognize all wrong doing on my part. :rolleyes:
I do also understand why you are so fervent in defending your position for vinyl; you have an agenda and that is the survival of your own label by the sale of vinyl.
I did get a little blurred in your statements but I understand some form of involvement with a shop as well; or from a distance at least.
Only remark I can make about the shops as well as the labels is that they are going to have to figure out a way to spread cds through these purchase locations or cheap ass djs as you desire to call them will all perform the switch to mp3.
It sucks big time, but at this stage it's not a choice but a reality that none can ignore.
I did somewhat mention this earlier but one statement I can make is that a particular close friend of mine has been operating a record label for about a year with 4 various releases at this stage all selling out. Average pressing has been amounted at 1000 .... all has been offered for digital purchase ( with an approximate 2 months or so delay ). There have been amounts of about 500 downloads per release, these release generating as much revenue if not more as the 1000 pressings.
Now if that is something that doesn't make sense from a record label point of view in trying to generate a return, I don't know what does.
There are a lot of pros and cons to cds, I will not deny that one single bit.
But do not call it a killing of an industry. At this stage labels have to seriously consider the shift or they will be shooting themselves in the foot.
I'm repeating myself just as much as you are.
If you are stating that a record label should NOT offer digital purchasing options ..... there's a big flaw in the business plan.
It can have great benefits if done right. |
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| djlithium |
Well now you are starting to see the possibility of the other side of it where profitablity can be achieved.
I have been working on this "plan" but it will still be some time before the public sees it in full. The reasoning there is that I wish to gain support from key people in the industry from the bottom up and have them provide their feed back. At that time it will be re-evalutated based on their feed back and then introduced to the public. I think you will find at that time the formulation of the document and the plan for achieving this profitability will be very realistic and satisfy the singles consumer and the vinyl DJ will providing for a mechanism for continued sustainment of both industry section.
And from the beatport website for sections 8 and 9 here is the portion of their terms of use that basically throws a wrench into partnership they have with Stanton and the Final Scratch product for use with Beatport aquired digital singles.
Content Usage Rules. BEATPORT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE THE CONTENT USE RULES WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. Your access to and/or use of any Track(s) will be limited by the rules assigned to the Track(s) by Beatport ("Content Usage Rules") and described in this section. You may not attempt, nor support others' attempts, to decrypt, reverse engineer, circumvent or otherwise alter or interfere with any software required for use of the Service or any of the Usage Rules.
A "Sample" is a promotional portion of a Track, in some cases an entire Track, which is made available to you while you are logged onto the Service. Samples may also consist of a promotional music video. Samples are offered at no cost to you, and you may play as many Samples as you like. You may not attempt, or support others' attempts, to download, copy, or capture a Sample.
A "Download" is a Purchased Track or other Purchased Digital Material that you can (1) transfer to a compatible portable device, (2) save to your hard drive with unlimited playback time, (3) burn to a CD/DVD. Beatport shall have no liability for lost, damaged, or destroyed Downloads. Any security technology that is provided with a Download is an inseparable part of the Download. The Download capability does not operate to limit any rights of the copyright owners in Tracks or Material or any works embodied in them.
You shall be authorized to use the Downloads only for noncommercial, personal use. The Downloads are strictly limited to your personal use and any use or sharing outside the doctrine of Fair Use, as provided in the United States Copyright Code, is in violation of Copyright and Intellectual Property laws.
Prohibited Uses of Digital Downloads. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, modify or disable any copy protection or use limitation systems associated with the Downloads. You may not play and then redigitize any Downloads. You may not create any "derivative works" by altering any of the Content. You may not use the Downloads in conjunction with any other third-party content (e.g., to provide sound for a film). YOU MAY NOT UPLOAD DOWNLOADS TO THE INTERNET. PEER-2-PEER FILE SHARING IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Any other manner of network file sharing and transfer of Downloads to devices for such purpose is prohibited.
http://www.beatport.com/site/index.php?action=legal
Kinda weird huh??
Now what if you were permitted and even encouraged to do this but with a format restriction?
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| Walter Mindz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquaplex
Audiojelly all the way :) |
Oh for sure... www.audiojelly.com has an amazing selection, and they also have promo's on there too!! |
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| IKKI-ZUVK |
It's quite interesting to see that some people here thinks that cdj DJs are boring, unskill, no fun to watch and so on when some very well known DJ only use cdjs, as an example Eric Morillo, he only uses cdjs. If I remember right I read once an interview of Eric M where he said that he will only play at clubs where the have Pioneer CDJ-1000. Another great example would be Markus Schulz, if you check out his top ten tracks this week, you'll notice that all the tracks are CDs (all TA producer tracks btw). I think that CDJs are great due to several reasons such as:
It's cheaper
Let's you try out unreleased tracks (your own or somebody elses)
It's pretty much the same as vinyl
etc...
Years ago it was harder if not impossible to played unreleased tracks, while now it's extremely easy.
I guess that people who are against CDJs are not producer or/and have a producer mate. Let me ask you a question, wouldn't you like to play out a track you produced ?
wouldn't you like to play out a kicka$$ track that a friend of yours produced?
Well if you said no then go back to the 80's and let us enjoy the great technology without being judge!
Cheers |
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