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CDJ User, downloading music legally ? (pg. 6)
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| djlithium |
| same old tired short sighted arguments from the cd "mixing"types.... |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
I can mix on CDs easily. I choose not to because its BORING AS FUK, among other reasons.
And another thing, Sasha has to be one of the most boring DJs to listen to or watch. No offense to the guy I just don't like the term "progressive" being applied to music that goes no where. That's sasha/digweed/bedrock.
But this is my opinion based on observation. I would rather keep the names out of it frankly because like whoever they want for whatever reasons. But I don't like sasha not for his playing on CDs but from shear bordem in listening to and of his sets or seeing him play. Sleepy time tunes. |
ok, but now you are being contradictory. you claim you are able to mix CDs easily, which therefore proves that the format works for mixing. i do recall, however, you speaking about the control of vinyl, and even on your website, in a reply to an e-mail you posted in your fanmail section, you brought up staying away from CDs, staying with vinyl, as it's all about control, the control that is necessary to mix with; as if dismissing the capability to mix CDs properly altogether.
so you can mix CDs easily. you, by the looks of it, are not into mixing CDs, ie. not a CD DJ. but you've tried it out, and say you can. therefore, this sort of trumps your whole "CD DJs can't mix" theory.
i only used Sasha as an example of technical ability, (which you must admit he does have) not musical taste. either way, not to nitpick, but you say your dislike towards his music is not based on him spinning CDs, rather your own taste. this is at least a logical, and fair statement. but, which is it finally, are you as against CD mixing as you had previously said, or not? (declaring that digital mixing was evil, CD DJs suck, and all that good stuff...) |
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| rturn214 |
My 2 Cents...
I understand Vinyl purists to a degree, they put a lot of effort into getting hard to find/expensive vinyl, and have found fine tuned their ability in a medium that takes quite a bit of time to even learn to use in a functional sense, not to mention getting good enough where you as a Vinyl DJ become confident enough to playo ut to crowds. For us CD DJ's to just come in, be able to get whatever track we want for less moeny and much faster than the vinyl DJ, its almost like a slap in the face: Who are these young punks coming in and trying to steal all of us vinyl dino's thunder?
But lets call a spade a spade here...
Lith, your arguments are weak and hostile and they aren't going to get you anywhere with most folks on thes boards. If you as a person have a problem with the CD DJ, fine, but leave it at that. To say that CD's can't be mixed, and that the great talents in the world of Dance music use exclusively vinyl is absurd. Whether you like a guy like Ferry Corsten or not, I would hope there is no argument as to his technical ability. On NYD he rocked the Vision crowd in Chicago harder than anything I've ever seen in the states. I saw him spin exactl 3 tracks on vinyl. I thought the show was great, not flawless, but fantastic none the less.
So there's my two cents. Insert canned "Ferry Corsten Sucks" or "HAHA You like FC!" comment.... NOW!
Peace, Cheers,
RJT |
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| Luke Cartwright |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
I can mix on CDs easily. I choose not to because its BORING AS FUK, among other reasons. |
I used to think this then I got one of these.
I'd say it takes the same amount of skill to operate one of these as a regular tt and that the same would apply to most vinyl emulation decks.
Plus buying this has saved me alot of money and space, also if I like a single release or remix I don't have to fork out £8 for a record which has mixes I'll never use when I can pick up the best one for £1.50. |
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| djlithium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
ok, but now you are being contradictory. you claim you are able to mix CDs easily, which therefore proves that the format works for mixing. i do recall, however, you speaking about the control of vinyl, and even on your website, in a reply to an e-mail you posted in your fanmail section, you brought up staying away from CDs, staying with vinyl, as it's all about control, the control that is necessary to mix with; as if dismissing the capability to mix CDs properly altogether.
so you can mix CDs easily. you, by the looks of it, are not into mixing CDs, ie. not a CD DJ. but you've tried it out, and say you can. therefore, this sort of trumps your whole "CD DJs can't mix" theory.
i only used Sasha as an example of technical ability, (which you must admit he does have) not musical taste. either way, not to nitpick, but you say your dislike towards his music is not based on him spinning CDs, rather your own taste. this is at least a logical, and fair statement. but, which is it finally, are you as against CD mixing as you had previously said, or not? (declaring that digital mixing was evil, CD DJs suck, and all that good stuff...) |
I will try to be a little clearer.
I can mix on CDs if I know the tracks on them inside and out and I know that the damd thing isn't going to fail on me right in the middle of a set (I have seen more people skip CDs than records - not saying records don't skip, but a skipping CD is a bit more obnoxious than a jump on a record... there is no way you can argue against that... like come on. "pop" or "dddudduudududududududuttttt.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t..hehehehehehshshshshsshshshshshddooodododododododododo". I will take the "pop" any day for sure.
I watched christopher lawrence try a CD about two years back here in Vancouver and it exploded on him. That was the last time I saw him drop a CD-R anywhere and I have seen him play 3 or 4 times since. |
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| rturn214 |
Dude, you're really reaching now.
No offense, but this is not a good way to promote your label, you know, by pissing off a bunch of people attempting to be civil and productive on the forums. But then again, there are a lot of CDJ's on here, so you probably don't want them promoting your music on such an impure platform...
This topic has run its course. Next.
RJT |
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| djlithium |
| You're exactly right. I don't want you playing our stuff. Or any other labels stuff. :P |
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| Dj Spiel |
Paul Van Dyk? He lugs it around & Plugs right in. ( Dude it beats carrying 100+ Records ) We should appreciate technology & not be ignorant. Final Scratch is a break thru in Dj-ing. )
P.S. Bought mine!!! I'll be getting it in 2-weeks.
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
Blah, final hack.
Ask yourself this... In what situation have you ever seen anyone except for one of the guys sponsored by FS/Stanton actually walk into a party and plug in?? It's never happened at any of the events we have played at or seen anywhere else, so do you think you are going to be able to go out and play at these places hauling your laptop and scratch box with you unless you put it in place before hand??
Just play records. If you don't like paying those prices? discourage people from buying digital and mixing that way as it kills things. The more records out there that are good that you by, the more stable the price will be and even go down.
Hell we probably have some of the highest costs on our manufacturing and they are still 11 bucks canadian at djmr.com.
Also when shopping look for tracks not from these "major big name people". I have found that some of the best stuff that is going to be more exclusive because of limited runs and no digital or cd singles available can be priced as low as 9.00 CND here at the main shops.
It just takes some patience and some originality. You don't want to be playing the same stuff the guy before you did do you? |
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| djlithium |
| I have had conversations with the original developer of final scratch and while I won't quote him here I can say that he made if very apparent to me that the idea was neat but really doesn't benefit anyone in the end except stanton which is why he sold it to them and bailed. |
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| Groovejunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by djlithium
same old tired short sighted arguments from the cd "mixing"types.... |
This can only be said by someone who is a vinyl purist.
New things and pioneers are often being seen like stupids or morons.
But if everybody reacts like you do, we were still riding horses?
I digitized my music a year ago and went digital. And if you play the CD decks the same way you play vinyldecks, you can make it as easy or difficult as you want. I don't use cue-points or whatever. Reversemode? Nope... don't use it. Vinylmode all the way on my CDJ1000's!
We're moving forward...... |
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| InTranzd |
LOL LOL LOL
This post is hillarious :rolleyes:
Djlithium - you've been going way downhill in your replies dude, I think it's time to STFU.
I think a valid point which hasn't been brought up yet are the manufacturers behind CDJs. Who are they? Why the same ones who make turntables! And many companies who make turntables, but previously no CDJs are starting to introducing CDJs (ie. Vestax). It's no war people. It's about whether or not the traditional turntables become less profitable than CDJs to their manufacturer. Eventually, what WILL happen is the phasing out of most shoddier decks (as most beginers will start on CDJ). Well established decks such as tech 1200s will likely stay for awhile, but expect them to be integrated in sets with digital technology (ie. laptops). Sorry Lithium, but the simple fact is it's more compact/practical/cost effective/durable/etc than viynl, which is argueably just as important for some than positives associated with viynl. |
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| djlithium |
You are still using the same short sighted argument that justifies your easy of access and use but you have no clue as to where this will all lead. Right into silence.
No more tunes, no more clubs, no more parties. How? because the crap you think you have such great access to is going to not be filtered out by any form of "taste" in music that one would have to naturally find in order to not waste money on worthless records....
Now you find it will be the same thing over again but even easier... with CDs, digital... yah hoo. A quicker way to get more crap on the dancefloor and push an already alienated audience further away.
I will not "STFU". |
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