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Drugs In The Scene (pg. 3)
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what sort of logic is that? once again, people tarring everybody with the same brush.
people blaming drugs for the woes of the community - here we go again. vero is right when he says theres a difference between using and abusing - a distinction which some people here dont seem to have made.
its easy to blame the 'death' of 'the scene' on something like drugs. drugs = the big bad wolf after all. and everything bad is always a result of the big bad wolf isnt it? people themselves up on drugs. drugs dont them. the problem is always human. morbidly obese people themselves on macdonalds. ronald doesnt do it for them. when will people start taking responsibility for their actions and their choices? you may as well blame hamburgers for the obesity problem in the states (and the rest of the world for that matter) - thats easier than acknowledging eating disorders, comfort eating, looking into the reasons why people eat themselves into obesity, why it happens. blaming something is easy because it looks like you are against it but you arent actually doing anything to alleviate the problem. lots of people like doing that. so how much do you really care about the so called 'scene' if you condemn a side of it without trying it or without trying to understand it?
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I got into the scene for the love of trance music, not for some trippy ed-up joyride. |
a choice which you are perfectly entitled to. but i cant help but feel there are many doors in your mind that are closed because of your hardline against it. which is ironic taking into account the meditative roots of the music you listen to. |
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| Zild |
I think people need to keep their drug use private and at the worst if they're going to use in public to be very inconspicuous. There's nothing worse then being at a party where everyone is obviously so ed up they could care less what kind of music is playing. Parties are for dancing so there is no need for kids to be laying all over the dance floor because they're tripping or rolling so hard they can't move. It makes me sick when I see someone that dropped way too much and is curled up in a ball because they can't handle their . I personally know a lot of people that won't go to a party because they don't have enough money to buy a tab or if they go they'll be pissy the whole time and ruin it for everyone else. They don't belong there in the first place and they need to stay home. If you think that drugs haven't hurt the scene then you're in denial because the widespread use of illegal drugs at events is exactly what gives the government the authority and the ammunition to scare the public into believing that our scene is only about drugs and to shut it down.
No I'm not against drugs. Yes I'm against public, blatant, and irresponsible drug use. I don't see whats so fun about being duped into liking people you would normally hate for 4 hours at a time anyway. |
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| Dirk W. |
First of all, your logic is a bit fuzzy in the argument. Let me explain.
| quote: | | people blaming drugs for the woes of the community - here we go again. vero is right when he says theres a difference between using and abusing - a distinction which some people here dont seem to have made. |
I know this distinction quite well and am encouraging the user to make wise decisions!
| quote: | | its easy to blame the 'death' of 'the scene' on something like drugs. drugs = the big bad wolf after all. and everything bad is always a result of the big bad wolf isnt it? people themselves up on drugs. drugs dont them. the problem is always human. |
The death of the scene is very easily attributed to drugs. I will get to that in a second.... Drugs in the media's eye (and the general and more powerful public) are the Big Bad Wolf and that is the way it's going to be. I agree people themselves up on drugs, but yes drugs do them up.
| quote: | | morbidly obese people themselves on macdonalds. ronald doesnt do it for them. when will people start taking responsibility for their actions and their choices? you may as well blame hamburgers for the obesity problem in the states (and the rest of the world for that matter) - thats easier than acknowledging eating disorders, comfort eating, looking into the reasons why people eat themselves into obesity, why it happens. blaming something is easy because it looks like you are against it but you arent actually doing anything to alleviate the problem. |
You compare drug use to McDonald's right? Okay. I am not saying let's sue drugs, let's catch the people selling them - haven't said anything like that. That is the situation with McDonalds. Fat people are blaming McDonalds when it really is their fatasses that are eating it in the first place and causing the problem. I say it's the fat people's fault, not McDonalds. Same with drugs. It's the user's fault. Those 15 year olds all ed up, yea, their faults. Those idiots that get busted with drugs, yep, their faults. So you're right, drugs didn't wreck the scene, PEOPLE USING DRUGS did. After all, what good is a gun without bullets?
These politicians see kids getting high and using drugs because the media takes pictures of them doing it. How did the media get pictures of this? Because the kids were getting high and using drugs. It may not be a representative majority of the population, but think about it. Drugs are illegal. There are policies made in my country as well as most if not every other country that specifically identify and prohibit usage of said drugs without medical consent. Lawmakers put these rules there and expect them to be followed - whether or not you agree with it, the law is on their side.
Okay, now, when there are raves and people are breaking the law by using drugs and this is then exposed to the voting general public (who does not support drug use) through the media, voted policymakers create extra rules that might help stamp out this problem (ie: the unfair RAVE act).
I don't mean to sound condescending as I point out the oversimplified basics of the legislative process, but sometimes I think people forget that these are illegal in the first place. These outrageous laws they come up with is a desperate attempt to stop you (by you, I mean anyone using drugs at a rave). Wonder where that RAVE act came from? Those damn bitches with all the power (sometimes referred to collectively as "THE MAN" by those who like to shift blame)? No. It came from YOU because it is in direct response to YOUR activities in an effort to solve a problem that was identified and real, no matter if it is representative of the scene as a whole.
So yes, the people using drugs are responsible for the death of the scene and as I said before, it is their sole responsibility to fix it. What does this entail? I don't know.
| quote: | | blaming something is easy because it looks like you are against it but you arent actually doing anything to alleviate the problem. lots of people like doing that. so how much do you really care about the so called 'scene' if you condemn a side of it without trying it or without trying to understand it? |
I choose not to use drugs. Have I before? Sure. I am not coming into this argument without seeing both sides. I was simply encouraging people to think about their actions, their effects and ultimately the impact on the scene as a whole.
And before this goes on and everyone thinks I hate drug users or anything like that, I don't. I just think people need to own up to what they choose to do. |
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| Nemesis44 |
The Drugs... we finally got down to it.
Having been around since the start of the EDM scene I can say that I have had my fair share of experiences.
I don't smoke (not even cigarettes) but I occasionally hit the disco biscuits.
There is a large difference between a drug habit and recreational drug use.
I am not going to sit here and promote them as they do have some very negative effects on various elements of your life.
Let's just remember first of all that one of the most evil drugs out there is actually alcohol. It has a really negative effect on people.
I have played at aclohol based clubs and basically what I see is that there is waaay more violence at those clubs. A drug based club has very few incidents of violence, and if there is it usualy involves a drunk person.
Let's talk about Ecstasy.
First up, be careful. There are such things as bad pills, usualy because the dosages are incorrect.
The main reason for death with ecstasy is that you drink too much water and your cells technically drown.
I know plenty of people who have let E's take control of their lives and a fair few have actually had mental break downs. Basically your ceratonin levels take a pounding.
By all means take an E... but when you end up having to take 15 because you just don't feel them then you know that you are in a bad way.
Do not double drop... it's horrible.
Every week working as a DJ I see people so ed that they can hardly speak.
I like going out and getting bolloxed every now and again but make it every now and again.
To the original poster.
I understand your concerns and the fact that you have voiced them makes them very real.
If you feel you need to then take a break. But realise that if you have a love of DJing then don't deny it, you will find that the more you supress it the worse it will become. You need some positive DJ experiences without those bumble bees (Cockney rhyming slang for E's).
Just take your time but try and break the association between the two. They are two different things.
I haven't go the time now but if you want to send me a PM I can tell you some of my own experiences and how I dealt with them.
Cheers
Nem |
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| zizack |
| there are way too many long posts here to read them all, but I think what a lot of peopel have said so far is very true. There is a fine line between using drugs and abusing them...being discreet about using them in a club, and being blatant. I know the scene here in NYC took a huge hit two years ago because people were just being blatant about it anf were doing drugs and selling them to and in front of everyone, including undercovers. Drugs have been part of this scene since the beginning and they're not going anywhere. People just need to be super aware of what and how they are taking, and in front of who. |
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| Freak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
(Cockney rhyming slang for E's).
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Steady on nem- you will start rapping like mr c soon...... ;)
Salmon?
Sorted
:haha:
Freak-genuine cockney :cool: |
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| Nemesis44 |
LOL...
Bee's are good bee's are good... Yes Bumble Bee's are good! |
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| Freak |
A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty
Ha ha ha ha ha
There's a guy in the place
He's got a bittersweet face
And he goes by the name of Ebeneezer Goode
His friends call him Eezer and he is the main geezer
And he'll vibe about the place like no other man could
He's refined, he's sublime, he makes you feel fine
Though very much maligned and misunderstood
But if you know Eezer he's a real crowd pleaser
He's ever so good, he's Ebeneezer Goode
You can see that he's mischievious, mysterious and devious
When he circulates amongst the people in the place
But once you know he's fun and something of a genius
He gives a grin that goes around from face to face to face
Backwards and then forwards, forwards and then backwards
Eezer is the geezer who loves to muscle in
That's about the time the crowd all shout the name of Eezer
As he's kotcheled in the corner, laughing by the bass bin
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Has anybody got any veras
Lovely
Ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha
A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty
Ha ha ha ha ha
Ebeneezer Goode, leading light of the scene
Know what I mean, see
He created the vibe
He takes you for a ride and as if by design
The party ignites like he's comin alive
He takes you to the top, shakes you all around
Then back down, you know as he gets mellow
Then as smooth as the groove that is making you move
He glides into your mind with a sunny Hello
A gentleman of leisure, he's there for your pleasure
But go easy on old Eezer he's the love you could lose
Extraordinary fellow, like Mr. Punchinello
He's the kind of geezer who must never be abused
When you're in town and Ebeneezer is around
You can sense a presence in the sound of the crowd
He gets them all at it, the party starts rocking
The people get excited it's time to shout loud
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Got any salmon Sorted
Ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
Oh what a carry on, ha ha ha ha ha
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
Wicked
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Oh what a carry on, ha ha ha ha ha
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
Wicked
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
He's Ebeneezer Goode
Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode
Nooooooooooooo.... that song wasnt about pills.
Ludicrous suggestion :stongue: |
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| Nemesis44 |
Oh my god...
Next I'll be on the floor chewing my face off... he he |
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| Frisco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Freak
A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty
Ha ha ha ha ha
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Ok I can hear the song in my head, but I can't place the name of the group. I know I even have the CD somewhere. For some reason I'm thinking it had something to do with drums or bass. Spill it Freak |
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| Nemesis44 |
| The Shamen.... and the Shame on you for not knowing it he he... ;) |
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| Frisco |
| ah yes, that was another song...boss drum. I was somewhat close. Damn I may have to pull that one out of the dust bin. |
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