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Drugs In The Scene (pg. 4)
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| Derivative |
took the BBC ages for them to figure out that song might have been about magic beans. by which point it had already been beamed into the homes of thousands of families via top of the pops, where kids all over the nation asked their parents:
'mummy why is that man looking at us really funny?' |
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| muli |
I started out in the scene with no drugs, then got in to the drugs, now i am slowing down, maybe once every 2 months i get on it.
I just cant handle massive weekends anymore, but i still enjoy the od munted moment with friends.
Plus i am saving to buy a house so don't want to waste my money on it.
One thing for sure is i NEVER get off my face on drugs while djing, i just can't do it, plus im there to do a job so want to do it right.
Plus i tend not to get off my face at events i play at, kinda a bad image with the punters i think. "Oh there is dj muli absolutley off his nutter, eyes in the back of his head" LOL :nervous: :eek: |
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| KristineClub |
| quote: | Originally posted by bass.exe
soem of you may think this is sad, but I think that people who say that drugs are entirely evil and wrong are sad and narrow-minded. True that they are bad for your body and brain, but I believe that some moderate drug use can help you gain access to other remote parts of your brain and consciousness.. |
You mean heaven? I believe that certain things in life are forbidden and for a good reason, even though some of us may not be able to grasp it. Those sad and narrow-minded people are called Christians and other religious groups. I believe that drugs are entirely evil and wrong but I'm an extremely open-minded person and I don't think I'm sad. Of course drugs can help you gain access to other remote parts of your brain and consciousness, that's not just your belief, it happens to be a fact. Evil is powerful but deceiving.
That is your sermon for today. :) |
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| bass.exe |
| quote: | Originally posted by KristineClub
You mean heaven?
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no, I don't...read my post again.
Also what makes you associate drugs with evil?? in some religions drug use is even an integral part of it. In your logic, you would have to go one to say that religions such as Beat Buddhism and Rastafarianism are also evil??
Abuse is bad I agree and use of is bad for you..but so is everything else... eat burnt toast, u get cancer, old paint chips make you retarted...does that mean they are evil??
The reason why you think drugs=evil is because of religion...there isnt one universal religion that is almighty and right..ie Christianism, there are many others that proclaim completely different views on things. I don't believe drugs are evil..however if you are a -up and let them take control then you are the problem, not the drugs. |
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| KristineClub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike123
Looking for some feedback from some people that can relate, and that may be dealing with this problem themselves. I'm not looking to start a self help thread. Just what you did if you went thru this problem. I'm 26, and got wrapped up in the Detroit scene when it was hot. Had alot of fun, (don't get me wrong) but I also got into the drugs a little more than I should of. Anyway, I always LOVED the music and always got that feeling from good electronic music that I never got from any other type of music. So after pulling away from the scene a bit and getting off the drugs I decided to buy some equipment, and started spinning. Well, the drugs never left, (the scene) and sometimes I get concerned about what the future holds if I continue to be apart of the scene. I don't want to go back to that misery I came from, but I would love to continue with the music.Thanks for any feedback.
Rock On,
Mike |
We're almost in the exact same shoes. It's really not much of a problem for me anymore (but I admit, sometimes, rarely, I do some stupid ). For me, music came first then drugs. I was badly into drugs in 2000, 2001 and parts of 2002 but I wasn't addicted. I've been addicted to the music since I first heard it. I got out of the scene and away from the drugs. About a year later, I bought my . Now I'm 23 and I still don't go to as many parties (only the essential ones) but my style is consistently growing. For the last year, my small production crew have been trying to revive the Atlanta scene. I am still confronted with drugs at times but I'm usually able to resist them and I'm more involved in the music than ever.
Yes, those were miserable days but I believe there are better days ahead if you can manage to keep your mind clear.
-Greg |
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| KristineClub |
| quote: | Originally posted by bass.exe
no, I don't...read my post again.
Also what makes you associate drugs with evil?? in some religions drug use is even an integral part of it. In your logic, you would have to go one to say that religions such as Beat Buddhism and Rastafarianism are also evil??
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I read your post correctly the first time, I don't need to read it again. I was simply implying that it is my belief that heaven is something like being on a drug only it is infinitely greater. I believe that those "different parts of you" that drugs begin to open up will be released when you die. You would be strong to resist drugs during your life.
Beat Buddhism and Rastafarianism? I happen to not be a part of those religions and I don't study them so I'm not going to say whether or not I think they are evil. However, I have had personal experiences with drugs that have lead me to associate them with evil so I think I have room to say that, thankyou. Besides, people from all religions do evil things but it doesn't make that particular person or religion evil.
| quote: | Originally posted by bass.exe
The reason why you think drugs=evil is because of religion...there isnt one universal religion that is almighty and right..ie Christianism, there are many others that proclaim completely different views on things. I don't believe drugs are evil.. |
This is why you're allowed to choose your own religion and/or beliefs and I am allowed to choose mine.
By the way, Christianism? Not saying it's a bad thing but I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're not a Christian. |
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| KristineClub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
...that said, when lab4 dropped candyman in slinky and that carl orf sample (oh fortuna) starts to fade in, you can look around you and see a see of glowsticks, held by thousands of mashed up, bug eyed ravers all looking as if god has just slapped them in the face. its priceless. but not something i wanna see or do or experience too much of. it just dulls the sense of wonder. its sad but i know a few people who have become a bit bitter and jaded about the whole thing. its time to move on and experience something new.
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I'm not going to quote your whole enormous post but I think those are great words. |
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| KristineClub |
I think the whole argument over whether drugs or people 'killed' the scene is ridiculous. Man created drugs so, in a sense, drugs are people. A drug is just a man-made, artificial heaven or nirvana or whatever the hell you wanna call it. Of course it's the fault of each individual who was irresponsible during the glory days.
You can't sue a hamburger! |
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| Derivative |
morality is uniquely human. the coca leaf doesnt set out to wreck danielle westbrooks life and her nose. she just snorted too much snow and all the dirty tenners gave her a deep infection. is the coca leaf evil? nah. is the guy who sold you a wrap evil? probably not. hes just out to make a buck, or recoup his losses, or sort some of his friends out. whatever. ultimately he will claim that money is the root of all evil. and to some extent he would have a point. since money underpins the illegal drug trade, money determines how much you use, how much you sell, at what price. but money cant really be evil. its just paper with the queen's face on it.
i dont really believe in good or bad and i dont really blame substances or neuroses for the ups i make. the difference between me and you is that i believe that when i die, ill get stuck in a box 6 foot underground and start to smell a bit. id rather rot in a field personally since at least id make the grass greener. up until that point i am interested very much in collecting experiences. not just drug experiences although my two trips were profound. the second of which went pretty bad. desirable or undesirable experiences - it doesnt matter so much since both are conductive to a creative frame of mind. both are valuable learning experiences. and i feel like i get something out of it and i grow as a result of these experiences.
some people i know who condemn things like this do so i feel partly because they dont understand it or fear it (possibly because they dont understand it). and making no attempt to understand reinforces this illusion of strength.
i agree to some extent with bass.exe. although the action of alot of drugs in my experience hasnt really been that profound. what has been profound is how i reacted to being put into a specific frame of mind by those drugs. in particular being stoned enough to white out, tripping hard enough for the trip to go bad and getting drunk enough to pass out. and various moments in between. you learn alot about yourself and your own limitations when you go that far. and ultimately it can be (but isnt always necessarily) a sobering experience when your brain returns to normal.
anyone with an interest in writing or listening to and wanting to deeply understand trance or psy or any type of meditative music can benefit from a trip. i know it sounds weird. and contrary to what you say, i dont believe it is a fake nirvana. doubly so when its a bad trip. what happens is so real you will feel physically sick, and whereas its all in the mind, its powerful enough to manifest physical symptoms.
your brain will be frazzled, you will probably black out and throw up repeatedly, then not be able to find your own vomit because you are tripping so hard your field of vision is flooded with stars and light. you will most likely hyperventilate, stream with cold sweat and your brain will rush through thoughts so fast its painful. you will feel overwhelmed, intensely paranoid and very sick - if its really bad you'll feel like you are going to die. but bloody hell when the rush inside your head starts to subside and you can feel the trip fading and your mind coming back - its the most perfect serene experience you will ever have. you will sleep like a log for hours and it will be the best sleep you ever had. id like to put that aftermath into a song. but i havent got the metaphorical butterfly net to catch it yet. or at least im not very good at catching experiences like that and concretizing it. thats partly why i invest so much time in music production, often at the expense of my social and professional life. it just feels like the most suitable method in which i can attempt to express alot of these experiences that i cannot put into words. then again, i always was a bit of an airhead daydreamer. |
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| KristineClub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
anyone with an interest in writing or listening to and wanting to deeply understand trance or psy or any type of meditative music can benefit from a trip. i know it sounds weird. and contrary to what you say, i dont believe it is a fake nirvana. doubly so when its a bad trip. what happens is so real you will feel physically sick, and whereas its all in the mind, its powerful enough to manifest physical symptoms. |
I have had many experiences, both good and bad, so I can say that I have experienced a bit of heaven and also a bit of hell. Unlike you have led me to believe about yourself, I do believe in an afterlife. Maybe it will be good, maybe it will be bad.
Drugs alter your state of physical being as well as mental. When you're physically sick from a drug, it's usually not just in your head, it's actually the drug attacking your body. |
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| Nemesis44 |
Religion is evil...
Nem |
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| Ste |
| you were doing the wrong drugs if you look back and all you see is misery. |
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