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USA VS. EUROPE (pg. 2)
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| LiquidXtrance |
Okay, there's no comparison between USA and Europe .... because Europe is by far, the heart of CLUBBING, PARTYING!... there you'll find that ppls do LIVE for the music... no matter what... parties there are HUGE. and the biggest in the world.. clubs like Gatecrashe, Cream, Ministry of sound, Manumission, Zillion, and so , so , so on... have a tight ass atmosphere!!! and guess what.. the ppls are the ones that make up the atmosphere !!! without the crowd making it .... is DEAD... , and that's what happend here in the USA, there's exeptions, there is party ppls, but just the few, I never been to TWILO, which is the most likely to be the closest be like a Euro club!!! ( that's why is among the best rite with webster hall ?? ) we got some good clubs also in Miami, like Shadow lounge, space , crobar, liquid, level.. you'll find part of the vibe that you would feel in some club in europe.. but GATECRASHER brings something that no other club would bring, i say this because I've seen the video footage inside the club, and just by looking at it, I felt the building going to some other level!.. 2ndly, canada I read has the biggest underground club in AMERICA, that means they are much closer to Euro stuff, the reason, they are more opened tours europeans, USA is more like a Mainstream hip hop nation, hopefully, there would be the time that ppls will be able to look into the DANCE scene that there is in europe... try IBIZA, that's a perfect example that you would never find in America.
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| Trance Path |
| Liquid you make a great point. The United States will never be like Europe as far as the trance world is concerned. SOS you are just jealous of America. I was born in Canada, Vancouver to be exact and lived most of my life there then I moved to Montreal then down here to Miami where I dj. People like you who hate all Americans are nothing more than ignorant. We are are people and we all live our lives differently. To say you dont like Americans is like saying you dont like trance music because you hate Paul Oakenfold. Oh by the way, Miami's rave scene is not a bunch of 14 year old candy ravers. We have some of the most beautiful IN SHAPE women in the world and I would guess that most raves I dj or just go to the average age would be about 21. Now grow up kid..... |
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| skywarp |
First of all, SOS: are you the DJ SOS from T-dot ... if yes, just to let you know that the Edmonton kidz really enjoyed the last party you played and hope that you (and your companion who travels in your suitcase ... wink, wink) will play one of E-town parties again sometimes.
Aaanyway i can already see a lot of ppl getting all pissed at me, but this has to be said. One thing is that bigger parties do not necessarily mean better parties. I have been to huge 70.000 ppl raves in Europe and to tiny sub-1000 ppl gatherings here in Canada, and the vibe at the small parties is incredible. You people must understand that trance/techno/whatever has its roots in the underground scene and it loses a lot of its appeal and soul when taken to clubs. The parties in Europe right now are extremely overcommercialized and it shows - many people are in the business only for the money and the fame ... I mean, what do you expect from a DJ that gets paid $50,000 for a two-hour set ... and the small local, less famous jocks could do the job just as good only for less money and with more passion for what they do. It is true that most of the music originates in Europe and most labels are from there, but that doesn't mean by far that the parties there are better. Partiers in Europe (except a small group of oldskool ppl) are actually rather clueless what the party is all about. Just imagine how much effort ppl put in their costumes and end up standing around the whole night fearing that their outfit might get ruined (seen it just too often). Or do you notice that not too many people really dance up a storm - hopping around is NOT considered dancing. Right now, in Europe, the closest thing to an actual rave are the free parties in the UK (haven't been to one, but heard quite interesting stories). Major parties have been taken over by clubbers and robbed of their original vibe. Gatecrasher style clubs are visually very nice (yeah, been to the Gatecrasher clubnight in Calgary at the Palace) but it just doesn't compare to a real party. There is something expensive visuals and production can never replace - thousand partykidsgoing off hard to the music they love passionately.
To the US ... actually, I've never been to a party there, but I talked to some people from down south who went to Canadian parties, and everybidy was very impressed ...
So, if you want to experience the party the way it was meant to be, go to a SMALL canadian party, or to the underground UK events ... if clubbing is your style, you'll pro'lly enjoy Euro style events but keep in mind that the complete experience has been warped and twisted out of its original form.
So, what I'm trying to say, Canuck parties RULE ... if you don't believe me, invest in a trip to Edmonton and we'll prove it to you =)
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| DJ Monzoon |
| U´re forgetting the forest-raves in Sweden man....=) |
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| Trance Path |
| Skywarp your right there my man. I dj because I love the music and the atmosphere. I really dont even care about the money I make from spinning. Whether it be 250 dollars or 2500 dollars, most of my money goes to expanding my vinyls or buying new equipment. You are right about some djs being in it just for the money. I wont name any names because I dont want to get flamed but Im sure many of us know a few ourselves. |
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| Tripsy |
Skywarp,
I agree with you to an extent. I'm from Edmonton also (mail me at [email protected]), and a lot of the stuff that you say is true. I'm not going to totally bash on Oakenfold due to his mediocore set at Ascension 2000, but I am going to say that some DJs earn more than they really deserve. They just become brand name after a while, where what people are paying for is just the name itself. You also have to keep in mind that Alberta, Canada (and other provinces) are starting to kinda crack down on raves, which kinda sucks. TOO MANY BY-LAWS!!!! That's one of the reasons why Nexus 6 was moved to such a shoddy location. By-laws have yet to be implemented in Edmonton (unlike Calgary), but nonetheless, promoters are starting to fear the possibility of having their party shut down and having thousands of pissed off ravers go home disappointed. Which brings me to my next point. The clubs in Europe are HUGE!!! I had a friend who just recently returned from a month of clubbing in Ibiza and England, and loved it largely due to the atmosphere and the venues they have there. Privalidge, Home, Amnesia, etc... these places are massive, and some are able to hold 10,000+ people. There's no fear of having a party shut down (unless in extreme circumstances) just because the building doesn't meet up to health or fire code. That's what we have to fear here. And that's what Canada is really missing, a really really good venue. Well, I'd add more, but I'm tired and hungry. I'll see you at the beach.
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| LiquidXtrance |
Okay... you got your point, I know that there's MASSIVE parties and stuff.. and I also know that there's tiny parties of just 1000 ppls, what Im saying is that the VIBE is different, cause the ppls that attend it are different.. they are there for the music, while here, well most americans are taking it as a TREND with the drugs, which all they can think about is , lets go and ROLL!.. in europe drugs are used alot, but not to the point that would kill the VIBE, I hope you know what I mean..
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| LiquidXtrance |
A damm... click the wrong button ..
Well... secondly.. take as en example HOMELANDS that took place in Ireland the biggning of the summer season , lets see.. it rained, mud everywhere... and just a bad weather, but did that stop them from parting and enjoying?!?!?!? nooooo... I think it made it more like a HAPPY scene.. ppls pay for it, with the big name DJ"s like Oakey, Jules and others, plus, I didn't see them caring about what they were wearing, they were there to enjoy the music and have plain FUN!!! no matter what... now, if we see somthing like it in America, I wouldn't see more than 100ppls there just because there's some BLACK clouds and about to rain... Im I wrong ?!?!?!?!
:-)! hehehe.
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| Vladik |
| Europe is deffinitely better and always will be. Im from San Francisco and everytime i go to a big event, like PVD or Kimball Collins etc.. they play their worst stuff the only time i loved it was at Astral Projection concert it was by far the best party i ever went to. As of in Europe all the best ones will always come from there, coz thats the origin of everything. |
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| skywarp |
Vladik, you just brought up a point I forgot to mention ... the parties I've been to in Europe remind me very much of concerts ... the DJ is a superstar everybody worships and the overall atmosphere is actually closer to a rock concert that a rave. It could be that I had bad luck with parties I went to, but my impression is that most major events in Europe are like that.
Liquid, I've heard about the Homelands thing this year, I remember the same thing happening at a Dancevalley party a while back. I've experienced a very similar situation here back in July this year ... we had a 24 hour outdoor event (Something Special), and at about 3am it started POURING ... but it did not stop the partykids from having a good time, and nobody was bitching or being miserable. Again, I'm sure that the attitude of the partygoers varies strongly from city to city ... actually I believe that there is lots of places where the parties are very sketchy and drug-fueled. I'm not denying that there is such a trend here too (I've been asked too many times why I'm partying sober ...) but as long as there is DJs, promoters, and partykids who know what it is all about, the true parties will go on. Unfortunately, I do not see that in Europe ... like I said, maybe I went to all the wrong events there but that is kind of unlikely ... 'cause once the large companies take over, it is just all about money and profit - which really kills the vibe. Just tell me when was the last time you got free water and candy at a party.
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| skywarp |
oh, and one more thing ... I've lost the last little bit of respect for Paul "premixed vinyl" Oakenfold
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| skywarp |
Tripsy ... hehe, nice to hear from an E-town kid ...
Anyway, the crackdown that is going on here is very similar to the crackdown in UK in the mid-90s ... when it was outlawed to have a gathering where "beat-driven" music was played (or something like that ...). Anyone remember the story about that girl in UK who died of water overdose (cells swell and blow up ... blah blah ...) but whose death was blamed on Ecstasy ('coz she was on E when she died). Her father almost single-handedly destroyed the rave scene in the UK by pressuring the authorities into such extreme measures (outlawing parties based on music played ...). But despite all that, the partykids still managed to survive and are still throwing really awesome parties.
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