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| starsearcher |
So the other day I read this article in the British GQ about Iran and all the BS of suicide bombers that really opened my eyes and it was quite a positive read. But then comes something like this...and makes me question everything all over again...
What is wrong with some people!??! 
| quote: | Hundreds of would-be 'martyrs' gather in Iran
2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Around 400 Iranian men and women met in Tehran to declare their readiness to carry out suicide operations against Israel.
Some 250 men and 150 women, all members of Islamist militias, responded to an appeal by two non-governmental organisations urging them to support Palestinian suicide bombers and declare their own readiness to become "martyrs".
Grouped together in a hall in the centre of Tehran, women in chadors and men wearing headbands with the inscription "There is no God but Allah" heard the organisers read out a religious decree legitimising suicide attacks.
Such actions are "permitted and considered relevant in the holy war for the good of Allah when the difference between the military forces of the army of Islam and those of the enemy is too great and there is no other classical means to hurt the enemy at strategic points," according to the decree from Grand Ayatollah Hossein Nuri Hamedani
"I am ready to take up arms, travel to Palestine and fight against the Zionists," said Mansoureh Sadeghi, 31, a student. "People die in any case so why not die for one's ideals?"
The Islamic republic has always made clear its refusal to recognise Israel and its support of the Palestinian cause. However it denies providing anything other than political support to militant Palestinian groups.
The authorities keep their distance from events gathering together would-be suicide bombers, saying they can do nothing to prevent such events taking place. |
Source: http://beta.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...on_050420155932 |
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| Jem_hadar |
| thats really intense. good jesus :( |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
I love humanity |
I think i'm losing faith in it by the minute :( |
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| drgoodvibe |
in a country where literacy is low, unemployment is close to 50%, when there is no future -- or a bleak one at that -- It's easy to find faith in a cause that you get brainwashed into believing. That faith gives those hopeless youth a reason to live, and a reason to die.
Do not think badly of these wayward people, they are murderers yes, but the enescapable global society created them. We all have a part to play in the creation of these monsters.
Things to think about:
global poverty
inaccessable education
corruption
exploitation of labour and resources |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by drgoodvibe
in a country where literacy is low, unemployment is close to 50%, when there is no future -- or a bleak one at that -- It's easy to find faith in a cause that you get brainwashed into believing. That faith gives those hopeless youth a reason to live, and a reason to die.
Do not think badly of these wayward people, they are murderers yes, but the enescapable global society created them. We all have a part to play in the creation of these monsters.
Things to think about :
global poverty
inaccessable education
corruption
exploitation of labour and resources |
No doubt...I'm sure Bush's plan to export democracy to Iran would make it all better :rolleyes: *sigh*
I just don't understand how a father, or even worse, a mother could agree to kill herself leaving her children behind for a "cause"...it's completely beyond me.
On the positive side though it's a small number of freaks...I know it's quite different in general. |
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| house_conXion |
| I've read some article similar to this or maybe even this particular article and yeah it's pretty ed up, propaganda in Iran and other middle east countries is so rampant that people will believe in anything that others tell them. I've known males to be suicide bombers but females too?!?! that's going a bit much. |
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| drgoodvibe |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
No doubt...I'm sure Bush's plan to export democracy to Iran would make it all better :rolleyes: *sigh*
I just don't understand how a father, or even worse, a mother could agree to kill herself leaving her children behind for a "cause"...it's completely beyond me.
On the positive side though it's a small number of freaks...I know it's quite different in general. |
I can actually sort of understand the minds of these people. To them they are doing their children/mothers/fathers relatives a favour. To them it's the only right descision to make. We see these people through our western ethnocentric eyes, but to them, their faith is all they have. Dying for a cause is the most noble thing they can do, they feel like hero's. |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by drgoodvibe
I can actually sort of understand the minds of these people. To them they are doing their children/mothers/fathers relatives a favour. To them it's the only right descision to make. We see these people through our western ethnocentric eyes, but to them, their faith is all they have. Dying for a cause is the most noble thing they can do, they feel like hero's. |
Yeah I guess...but at the same time I've seen death and destruction and I don't think there's a cause high enough to cause it...
What bothers me the most is the "maternal instinct" (or rather lack of it)...how can a mother (or a father - not to discriminate) not just leave their children behind, but actually encourage them to kill themselves...Maybe it is the "western" education or up-brining but I just can't imagine putting my own offspring in a harms way :(
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By the way I'm sure there are enough freaks like that from other religions too...we jsut don't hear much about them or at least they're not as serious |
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| iLLnaDa |
| quote: | Originally posted by drgoodvibe
in a country where literacy is low, unemployment is close to 50%, when there is no future -- or a bleak one at that -- It's easy to find faith in a cause that you get brainwashed into believing. That faith gives those hopeless youth a reason to live, and a reason to die.
Do not think badly of these wayward people, they are murderers yes, but the enescapable global society created them. We all have a part to play in the creation of these monsters.
Things to think about :
global poverty
inaccessable education
corruption
exploitation of labour and resources |
I would have to say that I do agree with you to some extent, but personally I don't find it appropriate to debate on this topic on here. We must all try to understand the 'experience' of people living in other parts of the world, in this case Iran. The youth there do not experience life like the youth in Canada or the United States. I agree with you that "the global society has created them", but I also think that it is that same society's responsibility to understand their creation, what you label as "monsters" (monster is a very harsh way to describe this creation, however a democratic society permits us to do so). That's all for now :toocool: |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by drgoodvibe
in a country where literacy is low, unemployment is close to 50%, when there is no future -- or a bleak one at that -- It's easy to find faith in a cause that you get brainwashed into believing. That faith gives those hopeless youth a reason to live, and a reason to die.
Do not think badly of these wayward people, they are murderers yes, but the enescapable global society created them. We all have a part to play in the creation of these monsters.
Things to think about :
global poverty
inaccessable education
corruption
exploitation of labour and resources |
+1
...frankly these kind of posts are way to repetitive on the forum lately, I don't think posts of this nature should be in Tranceaddict at all...it's way too negative and has very little to do with the music movement. Posting this only brings about ill feelings or resentment and I don't think that's what TOTA is all about |
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| drgoodvibe |
| quote: | Originally posted by iLLnaDa
I would have to say that I do agree with you to some extent, but personally I don't find it appropriate to debate on this topic on here. We must all try to understand the 'experience' of people living in other parts of the world, in this case Iran. The youth there do not experience life like the youth in Canada or the United States. I agree with you that "the global society has created them", but I also think that it is that same society's responsibility to understand their creation, what you label as "monsters" (monster is a very harsh way to describe this creation, however a democratic society permits us to do so). That's all for now :toocool: |
I was born there, I have family there, I'm acutely aware of life in Iran, and what makes them beleive in such things. I was using the term "monster" in a completely western ethnocentric view. Most westerners believe that people who have such ideals are monsters do they not? They cannot imagine how a mother would be willing to send her children to die like that, but then they're more than willing to send their children into a fruitless war based on lies? How does that work exactly?
Anyways I replied to the initial thread post, this thread is no different then all the other political threads started, or debated by Jayx1 or the rest. |
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