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Paul Martin's "save my ass" address to the nation. (pg. 4)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
LMFAO. Buddy, you are fkn halarious???
Gomery, the PM's buddy, is going to blame everyone but the PM. Its a sham to please the idiots of this country who are swayed by a heart felt apology from a crook and a liar. He can steal from you but as long as he looks directly into the camera and says im sorry ill forgive him. |
Whether or not Martin is to blame doesn't matter. The party is the party.
If you make a judgment before the inquiry is concluded then you're making it without all the availible information. In my estimation any such decision is pre-mature.
FYI, I am not a Liberal supporter. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Wouldn't you rather wait until you have the results of the inquiry. If you are so certain of the systemic corruption in the Liberal Party then having the inquiry's results will only strengthen people's views that the Liberals are evil. The only reason to force an election now rather then wait for the results is for fear that the results will not be as bad as the present rhetoric/perception.
I'm surprised by you Jayx. You claim that your hatred of the Liberal Party is due to a distain for corruption and that you want them out because you think they are bad for this country not because you are a Conservative. If you are trully concerned for the wealfare of democracy in Canada then you would wait for the results of the inquiry... in truth you would wait for the results before you passed your own judgement. With this post you have clearly tipped your hat and proven to all that read it you are a Conservative practicing partisan politics rather then a concerned citizen seeking change.
I'm disappointed, I wanted to believe your concern was for Canada, turns out I was wrong. |
It's clear that you don't understand the nature of the Gomery COMMISSION. It's not a court of law - it's merely a fact-finding commission. Fact-finding will be finished in about 5 weeks time. The conclusions to be made are POLITICAL conclusions, not legal ones. Although Gomery is a judge by trade, he's not acting in that capacity in this case - he's merely there to make sure the facts come out in an orderly fashion. He will NOT be making any legal determinations. There's no need to wait for the report to draw conclusions on the facts on the record. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
And have 8 more months of a parliament that is mired in corruption? What good will that do us? We haev already seen enough to know that the Liberals are corrupt beyond imagination. It's time to clear the air so that we can get back down to the business of running the nation. How can a nation be governed under a cloud of mistrust by the electorate?
Having elections NOW would be a good thing for the nation. Excersizing your right to choose a leader is NEVER a bad thing (unless we happen to live in Cuba) |
Eight more months won't hurt us. Besides, there is nothing that indicates the corruption has continued in another form (I'm not saying it hasn't but we have nothing to base such a presumption on).
I disagree that a general election today would be a good thing. Until the inquiry is concluded the people will only have access to part of the facts. What you're preposing is tantamount to having a jury go to deliberations prior to closing arguments and instructions from the bench.... it is illadvisable. That being said I whole heartedly agree that now is the best time for an election as far as the Conservative party's chances are concerned. If I were running the party I would try to engineer a vote of non-confidence as soon as possible. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
It's clear that you don't understand the nature of the Gomery COMMISSION. It's not a court of law - it's merely a fact-finding commission. Fact-finding will be finished in about 5 weeks time. The conclusions to be made are POLITICAL conclusions, not legal ones. Although Gomery is a judge by trade, he's not acting in that capacity in this case - he's merely there to make sure the facts come out in an orderly fashion. He will NOT be making any legal determinations. There's no need to wait for the report to draw conclusions on the facts on the record. |
I know full well how an inquiry works... thank you. Try to remember your talking to someone with an honours degree in Political Science. What you forget is that much of this country's electorate cannot understand and make sense of the evidence. By looking for an election to be called prior to the publication of the justice's report you're seeking to prevent those individuals from making an informed decision. Please do not pretend that your interest in seeing an election prior to the publication of the conclusions is based on anything more then partisan politics. We all know now is the best time for the Conservatives to go to the polls... I've said I would do it if I were in their shoes, however, what is best for them is not necessarally best for the country or the concept of democracy. As someone who is interested in due dilligence and political process I would prefer all information to be availible to all Canadians prior to the election
IN truth, however, it really doesn't matter as few Canadians will bother to read the report but rather settle for getting their information from the soundbytes they hear on the 11 o'clock news. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Eight more months won't hurt us. Besides, there is nothing that indicates the corruption has continued in another form (I'm not saying it hasn't but we have nothing to base such a presumption on).
I disagree that a general election today would be a good thing. Until the inquiry is concluded the people will only have access to part of the facts. What you're preposing is tantamount to having a jury go to deliberations prior to closing arguments and instructions from the bench.... it is illadvisable. That being said I whole heartedly agree that now is the best time for an election as far as the Conservative party's chances are concerned. If I were running the party I would try to engineer a vote of non-confidence as soon as possible. |
Again, you seem to be confused as to the nature of the commission. All the facts are available right here:
http://www.gomery.ca/en/transcripts/
They've been transmitted on RDI live day after day. Quebecers especially have been glued to the TV.
The facts are already out. Now it's time to get the Lieberals out.
Yes it's true that Gomery will be making some recommendations. However, the Lieberals cannot possibly be the ones to implement those recommendations - they are they problem!! |
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| Moral Hazard |
| Why do you Conservative supporters fear allowing the findings to be published? |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Why do you Conservative supporters fear allowing the findings to be published? |
Again, the findings are ALREADY published.
http://www.gomery.ca/en/transcripts/ |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Lieberals |
I just noticed this.... clever, but are you painting them as liers (LIEberals) or are you likening them to the Nazis (LIEBERals as in liebershrom)? |
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| Moral Hazard |
testomony is the same as findings. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
testomony is the same as findings. |
In a fact-finding commission, YES. There are no legal conclusions to be made, only political ones by the people. Gomery will be making some recommendations, but again, the Lieberals cannot be the ones to implement them. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
In a fact-finding commission, YES. There are no legal conclusions to be made, only political ones by the people. Gomery will be making some recommendations, but again, the Lieberals cannot be the ones to implement them. |
He will also contrast and evaluate the testomony/evidence given. Most importantly he will summarize it into a compressed document that the majority of the electorate will be able to easily review and understand.
You seem to think that I am supporting the Liberals, I am not. My concern is with due dilligence and political process, an election call today would play havock with both. Clearly you are not concerned with these things as you have already made up your mind. |
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| TrueToTheCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Why do you Conservative supporters fear allowing the findings to be published? |
First, we now have a government in ottawa that is paralyzed and cant govern. No bills will pass, the debates have turned into campaign speeches.There is no reason to sit there when nothing productive is being done for Canada. DO you know how government works???
The gomery commish is a sham. Nothing will come of it. It is being held to report that , Ya, there was a scandal but paul martin knew nothing about it.
I admire your persistance but you sound like an idiot.
Just give it up. |
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