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Paul Martin's "save my ass" address to the nation. (pg. 5)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
First, we now have a government in ottawa that is paralyzed and cant govern. No bills will pass, the debates have turned into campaign speeches.There is no reason to sit there when nothing productive is being done for Canada. DO you know how government works???
The gomery commish is a sham. Nothing will come of it. It is being held to report that , Ya, there was a scandal but paul martin knew nothing about it.
I admire your persistance but you sound like an idiot.
Just give it up. |
I have an honours degree in political science... I understand how it works.
The deadlock in the house is due to an unwillingness to cooperate on all sides, this is not grounds for the dissolution of parliament. Regardless of the pace of which legislation is moving the remaining business of the governmentn (believe it or not question period is not the be all and end all) is going forward as usual.
The commision was struck to complete a task, let them complete it. |
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| TrueToTheCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I have an honours degree in political science... I understand how it works. |
Even better. Now you should be embarrassed. |
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| b4k-oz |
LOL Jayx1 and ShadoWolf.... no matter how hard you try with your little propaganda against the Liberals you will never see us sway to the Conservative BS
Anyone that's worked in the system knows that Conservative are about protecting their status and not about protecting the interests of Canada.
Most of us that were mature enuf (guess this excludes you guys) to vote during the Mulroney years, witnessed total and complete damage to Canada.
The Tories (Mulroney) brought us Recession...raised annual income to his party members while the rest of Canada suffered through job losses ....sold out Canada to U.S. through discreet irrevocable laws ... endorsed privatization....created tax compensations for corporations to continue absconding the payment of their federal fair share... never apologized for his direct endorsement and cooperation with the USA to illegaly experiment on randomly selected Canadians (who are sadly-mostly dead now...after the many years of battling his corrupt party)
LOL you guys are naive.
It's pretty obvious how both of you evade the mulroney corruption issue. And let us not forget how he pulled all stops to avoid further investigation into his party and him...and managed again through his corruptive connections to sue Canadians out of our hard earned money for his so called damage to his reputation. Where is he now? Still pulling the strings behind Harper.
You guys....GREW UP! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
oh and about your rebuttal....I don't give a shyte.
Maybe when you guys become men...then your contribution will be worth more than the shyte you post now.
Have a nice day :rolleyes: |
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| JRinger |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
I admire your persistance but you sound like an idiot.
Just give it up. |
On the contrary, I think he puts forth a much stronger and more coherent argument than you, ShadoWolf and jayx1. You three sound like a broken record in thread after thread - taking every chance you can to take pot shots at the party that the Canadian electorate has chosen in 4 straight elections (much to your chagrin) and glossing over strong counter-arguments with cheap responses.
Moral Hazard isn't advocating support for the Liberal party or defending the Liberals alleged actions, nor is he advocating not holding an election in response to the allegations -- he's advocating allowing the inquiry to finish and letting the public base their decision on all the facts, not just a subset, some testimony or what the media chooses to highlight.
The public needs to have their say, but it doesn't need to be right away. At the moment, whats in the best interest of Canadians is for the opposition parties (especially the Conservative Party) to accept that they'll get an election within a year, and stop adding to the paralysis of the government by taking every opportunity to wrangle more power.
What's most amusing about all this is watching/reading MoralHazard take you to task in thread after thread. |
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| Jayx1 |
Im not the one who is naive because im not about re-elect a corrupt government. What Paul Martin wants is the same old "dont worry be happy" Liberal line. Wait till a report comes out in 8 months that tells us what we already know. Hopefully by the the electorate will forget. In the mean time he wants the opposition to stop talking about the biggest case of government corruption in our lifetime.
Look, he has already admitted to the fact that there is widespread corruption. Whether Martin was personally involved or not is irrelevent. The buck stops with the boss and since he is now the boss and during the theft he was in charge of finance, the right thing for him to do would be resign. That is exactly what would have happened if this were the private sector. In fact if this happened in the private sector we'd be seeing another Enron.
There is nothing undemocratic or wrong about having an election to let the people decide. |
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| amb_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by JRinger
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JRinger
On the contrary, I think he puts forth a much stronger and more coherent argument than you, ShadoWolf and jayx1. You three sound like a broken record in thread after thread - taking every chance you can to take pot shots at the party that the Canadian electorate has chosen in 4 straight elections (much to your chagrin) and glossing over strong counter-arguments with cheap responses.
Moral Hazard isn't advocating support for the Liberal party or defending the Liberals alleged actions, nor is he advocating not holding an election in response to the allegations -- he's advocating allowing the inquiry to finish and letting the public base their decision on all the facts, not just a subset, some testimony or what the media chooses to highlight.
The public needs to have their say, but it doesn't need to be right away. At the moment, whats in the best interest of Canadians is for the opposition parties (especially the Conservative Party) to accept that they'll get an election within a year, and stop adding to the paralysis of the government by taking every opportunity to wrangle more power.
What's most amusing about all this is watching/reading MoralHazard take you to task in thread after thread. |
We havnt changed our tune because what we are saying is based on the fact that we have a corrupt government in office. Allowing this corrupt government to continue is impossible since they do not have the confidence of either the electorate nor the parliament. The Liberals are trying to act like a majority government when they in fact have a minority government. They should take lessons from the failures of Joe CLark in this regard. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
They should take lessons from the failures of Joe CLark in this regard. |
Joe Clark was a conservative
LOL proving once again your lack of intelligence
Next time don't try so hard it only makes you look like an ....  |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by JRinger
On the contrary, I think he puts forth a much stronger and more coherent argument than you, ShadoWolf and jayx1. You three sound like a broken record in thread after thread - taking every chance you can to take pot shots at the party that the Canadian electorate has chosen in 4 straight elections (much to your chagrin) and glossing over strong counter-arguments with cheap responses.
Moral Hazard isn't advocating support for the Liberal party or defending the Liberals alleged actions, nor is he advocating not holding an election in response to the allegations -- he's advocating allowing the inquiry to finish and letting the public base their decision on all the facts, not just a subset, some testimony or what the media chooses to highlight.
The public needs to have their say, but it doesn't need to be right away. At the moment, whats in the best interest of Canadians is for the opposition parties (especially the Conservative Party) to accept that they'll get an election within a year, and stop adding to the paralysis of the government by taking every opportunity to wrangle more power.
What's most amusing about all this is watching/reading MoralHazard take you to task in thread after thread. |
Thank you, I'm happy to see someone actually reads my posts and considers what I have to say. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Joe Clark was a conservative
LOL proving once again your lack of intelligence
Next time don't try so hard it only makes you look like an .... |
Joe CLark is a red tory (read: small-l liberal) who endorsed Paul Martin in last year's election.
His budget was defeated because it RAISED taxes.
He is also rumoured to be a card-carrying Lieberal Party member, and may be appointed to the Senate or Governor-Generalship by Martin.
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I have an honours degree in political science... I understand how it works.
The deadlock in the house is due to an unwillingness to cooperate on all sides, this is not grounds for the dissolution of parliament. Regardless of the pace of which legislation is moving the remaining business of the governmentn (believe it or not question period is not the be all and end all) is going forward as usual.
The commision was struck to complete a task, let them complete it. |
The opposition cannot ignore the findings of the commission. If they did they would not be doing their job. Right now, systemic corruption trumps all other issues. Because what we are talking about is the very basis of how government runs. What i would like to see from opposition parties is an outline on government reform to make sure this will never happen again. But keeping the Liberals in office is tantamount to having a trial where the defendant is also the head juror. It doesn't fly with me im sorry to say. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Joe Clark was a conservative
LOL proving once again your lack of intelligence
Next time don't try so hard it only makes you look like an .... |
I know EXACTLY who Prime Minister Joe Clark was. He was the PC Prime Minister who governed as if he had a majority and had his government collapse by the Trudeau Liberals after just months in parliament because he chose to govern as if he had a majority.
USing that example just shows you that im not as partisian as you make me out to be
So who is wearing the egg on their face now? |
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