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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Who wrote history? Who devised what should be taught? ITs been a consistent pattern. You know that yourself.
It was only until university until it was mentioned that hundreds of chinese immigrants were killed building the national railway. All i remember were the "forefathers" who built it.
No recognition is given, much is left out. North American history was written and taught by white people. The effect is still ongoing.
Black history isnt even in the curriculum. Its more of an event during the last week of february.
Stop playing devils advocate... you know how this all works:rolleyes: |
i dont know where u learned or if u were paying attention but i learned all about various aspects of history in high school including the not so nice stuff. I hate it when people try to play the victim. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i dont know where u learned or if u were paying attention but i learned all about various aspects of history in high school including the not so nice stuff. I hate it when people try to play the victim. |
"play the victim"??? Thats what they exactly were!
Trust me. People in our society just think a bunch of white men built the rail way and it was all great and dandy. And that is one example.
Dont sit there and tell me that what is taught is exactly what happened. Its not that they lie, its that many things are left out. people that deserve recognition are not given that. People who have suffered or have been directly or INDIRECTLY suppressed by the biast mechanisms of society are not even taken seriously in our white north american history.
In fact... i dont even remember my teachers explaining how the natives were nearly wiped out. These things should be emphasized. A realistic analysis should be done. |
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| Jayx1 |
i was talking about YOU playing the victim. Not them...
I personally remember learning in public school about the plight of the natives, the japanese internment and the chinese head tax and treatment of railway workers. This was later reinforced in high school. As for black history, well considering there were not that many blacks making history in Canada, it wasnt a large part of the cirriculum. We did learn about the underground railway which did pertain to Canada, and there was a large componant of black history in american history class.
What people think compared to what they are actually taught are 2 completely seperate issues. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i was talking about YOU playing the victim. Not them...
I personally remember learning in public school about the plight of the natives, the japanese internment and the chinese head tax and treatment of railway workers. This was later reinforced in high school. As for black history, well considering there were not that many blacks making history in Canada, it wasnt a large part of the cirriculum. We did learn about the underground railway which did pertain to Canada, and there was a large componant of black history in american history class.
What people think compared to what they are actually taught are 2 completely seperate issues. |
All im trying to tell you is to look at who wrote canadian history and who taught it. That is self expalnatory and helps expalin many other things.
Just what ive come to understand throughout my life. :) |
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| girllovingtvibe |
| Pride is always a good time... |
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| BigTongue |
Cyrus you're making this bigger than it is..
my point is that if people want to be treated equally start acting equal.. i dont think we need black history month or gay pride parade.. teach black history whenever you feel it's appropriate.. martin luther king, malcom x, etc can be taught all year round...
Like i said the problem with canada is we don't care about our own as much (not to be taken as white males, i'm takling canadians)
instead of worrying about every other nation and people world wide, we should be looking out for canadians first & formost.. teach canadian history about blacks & whites and chinese, instead of so much emphasys on how everyone was held down everywhere else all those years..
we were told how blacks were treated like slaves in the southern states.. how come there wasn't more emphasys put on how canadians weren't like that & helped blacks escape? |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
so instead of having black history month why not just include black history in regular history? |
because eradicating decades of institutionalized racism in an education system that is still controlled by white men isn't exactly done in a sunday afternoon :rolleyes:
as for the Pride parade...
let's forget for a moment that many of us live in a major cities like Toronto...which has a very progressive attitude and laws that protect minorities.
Pride is an incredibly liberating and safe environment for people who come from small towns, and even countries, where they can't even hold their bf/gf's hand walking down the street without being yelled at, having things thrown at them, or...worse.
For someone to say "why not a str8 pride parade" or "why not white history month"...that just tells me how uneducated, lacking in empathy, and hung up on "equality" they are.
last time I checked, a guy and a girl don't get screamed at or based for holding hands or even making out on the street...white people don't have to look too hard to read about their culture/race in school textbooks...or find examples of heterosexual affirmation in the media or white role models to look up to (who are athletes or rappers).
it really does blow my mind how ignorant some people remain :(
BigTongue...While Canada may not have been built on the backs of slaves, it has it's fair share of treating minorities like ...like the Chinese detention camps that existed during WWII, for example. That doesn't really get talked about much in our history books, I suspect.
http://www.jcnm.ca/Jchist.htm
Being treated equally doesn't preclude people from celebrating that equality or inclusion that once didn't exist...white straight people have ALWAYS been the majority and been able to do as they please...this has not been the case for minorities...so there is no need for "str8 pride" because "str8" is the status quo...it's everywhere. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
that just tells me how uneducated, lacking in empathy, and hung up on "equality" they are. |
I see. So what you are telling me is that all these years of being taught equality while growing up was all for nothing? Yes I am hung up on equality. Minorities expect nothing less and so do i.
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like the Chinese detention camps that existed during WWII, for example. That doesn't really get talked about much in our history books, I suspect. |
thats because they were japanese internment camps. Not chinese. But what do i know? Im an ignorant person hung up on equality.
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Being treated equally doesn't preclude people from celebrating that equality or inclusion that once didn't exist... |
Oh so now you like equality again? Right only when equality is equal for you. I get it.
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white straight people have ALWAYS been the majority and been able to do as they please...this has not been the case for minorities...so there is no need for "str8 pride" because "str8" is the status quo...it's everywhere. |
in other words, your distant relatives ruined it for you so now it's time to let us have all the fun.
PS im all for any reason to have a party. But im against people telling me to be equal in one breath, and in the other wanting special status. If we are to ever truely eradicate racism etc we need to start pointing out our similarities more than our differences. |
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| baystreetboi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
PS im all for any reason to have a party. But im against people telling me to be equal in one breath, and in the other wanting special status. If we are to ever truely eradicate racism etc we need to start pointing out our similarities more than our differences. |
I think this is one of the things that proudly sets us apart from our neighbours to the south though.
As cliched as it may be, Canada is a cultral mosaic, while the USA is a proverbial melting pot.
Here we celebrate our differences, but just because these differences are celebrated does not mean there is an absence of equality or that some sort of "special status" is being conferred upon a group.
I'd much rather have diversity than have a bland society where everyone is supposed to conform to some sort of norm in which only smilarities are promoted... communism anyone? |
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| Jayx1 |
| diversity is great and celebrating diversity is great. I guess all i am upset about are double standards. It really has nothing to do with who does what. Its just that everyone should be able to do it not just a select few here and there. |
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| MarkT |
I had a huge reply written, but what's the point.
If you can't, or choose not to, differentiate between "equality" on its own and more relevant concepts like equal representation under the law, equal opportunity, etc. then there's no value in me discussing them.
There are countless replies to shortsighted comments of "why not straight pride" and "why not white history month"...I don't need to add to them.
(my bad on erring with Chinese vs. Japanese camps...the point stands in spite of the error of exactly who was involved...i.e. that race related issues are not unique to the U.S. simply because they had slavery and we did not). |
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| zoogla |
Oh FACK what have I done...I only took courses that related to European history as part of IR (1 course on Canada which was just the major international events that led to its formation so nothing domestic, race-related)...damn didn't mean for the threa to go this way...this is about GAY PRIDE!!!!!
Anyway, baystreetboi has an excellent point, although I wouldn't go as far as saying that in Canada we have a celebration of what makes us "different"; we simply celebrate what we LOVE!!! Gay people have their passions in life just as straight people do, and minorities have their passions just as the majority does...and we all have our doses of celebrating this, ON A DAILY BASIS!!!!
Just go to Spadina or Gerrard to see a couple of ethnic communities living it large...or to Church&Wellesley or...hmm...what's a so-called "straight" location...King and Bay? (LOL! I'm so wrong there...) and you'll see that you don't need a parade to get a reminder of who diverse our society is!!!
But, if you're gonna have a parade, that's just another opportunity to get our citizens together and PARTAAAY!!! Just like the Santa Claus parade, or St. Paddy's (do we have one of those?) or whatever...you don't NEED a parade but it's just icing on the cake, in my opinion.
My point is that I wasn't taking sides with anyone with my first statement about history; I was just being facetious (as we all are here) to humour my buddies but no offense intended... |
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