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DJing and Production - 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. (pg. 3)
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| ONION |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
onion, i know your a producer so your missing my point a little in what i said. To use your analogy a dj is more like an "artist" who takes from the "paintings" of the orinal "artist" and makes something unique out of it, when done properly.
Im not taking anything away from producers,i have just started myself and know how incredibly difficult it is.
My point was that to many "good producers", make " dj's"
yet they get booked becuase they have some well known tracks.
eddie halliwell absolutely rocked it here last year.... top 20 in the world never having produced a tune, he is an example of what im saying.
The producers who try to dumb djing down to "it's just beat matching" are the ones that generally suck the most.
as i said, this is general comment, there will always be exceptions. |
I understand what you are saying... but there arent enough djs who are creative with their sets... and the creativity aspect doesnt even come close to writing your own music. I will say this though - in a few years time there will be a load of wannabe pro producers the way there is an abbundance of DJs... There are heaps of preset boys who write a track who seriously have absolute all idea of what they are doing... They release a track on a ty label and think they pwn... so in essence there are different levels of djing & producing...
What I'm saying is the two dont compare... I would prefer to be a good producer... than a good dj any day... I have more respect for a guy who writes cream music... than a guy who has cream music in his crate. |
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| **Xenon** |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
i'll leave it to xenon to put in that awesome quote from Desyn Masiello :p |
You aksed for it, excerpt out of interview:
| quote: | RS: Let's see. You're busy as hell between labels, touring and doing your own production. How important do you think it is for a DJ to be remixing and producing as opposed to just DJing?
Desyn: I don't think it matters, it really depends on what the person's trying to do. If somebody's trying to be a DJ, I personally think they should just focus on being a DJ. Being a DJ is very different from being a producer. In fact, the two things are actually a world apart. So if somebody just wants to be a DJ, just concentrate on DJing. If their heart is telling them that they want to make music then they should make music as well. If somebody wants to be a DJ, I think it's a bad idea to try and make music to help them with DJ success, because that's going about things in a bit of dishonest way to themselves.
I think if they really want to be a DJ that they should focus on that and spend a hell of a lot of time listening to the best music out there, because that's what a DJ is, someone that creates a new vibe and a new feeling but from other peoples' records. It's the way they put the other records together, the vibe and the message they put across. You see these producers that suddenly after a big record, are touring the world DJing, but I would say to anyone wanting to be a DJ, don't try and make a big record, because it probably won't happen. Stay true to your heart and if DJing is what you want to do, then just focus on that. If you want to make music, that will come more naturally and if you are meant to make a big track then you'll probably find yourself drawn to the studio to do that anyway naturally. I don't think it's that important even though you see around you a lot of people do get success that way, but I think that's just luck to be honest. |
To put it in context, it's been well documented (incl. Tong mentioning it at the start of Desyn's 2004 debut EM) that Masiello got his name around by creating a demo in '99 that he spent 6 months compiling. He made a 100 copies of that demo and sent it to all the big names. He was booked to play at several international venues on the strength of that cd alone. In the same vein he's continued to show that you don't need to produce to be an awesome dj and create an awesome vibe.
You'll find that little anecdote plus others in this other interview:
http://soundrevolt.com/interviews-33-en.html
| quote: | | Desyn Masiello: First of all, I do sleep. But when I’m awake I’m looking for records. I’ve built up a network of friends in the Internet. I came from computer background, so when the Internet started I was already using it. So I always knew people all around the world similar to me, and we’ve been always exchanging information about music. I have friends DJs, in record shops in every single country in the world. It’s enough when one friend will tell me the name of a track – I’ll get my credit card, I’ll find it and I’ll order it. I’ve no money in the world, I don’t own any property, I don’t have a car. Every penny I’ve earned in the last 5 years I’ve spent on music. Nothing on me, nothing in my bank. It’s an addiction and I’m obsessed. |
That to me is a real dj.
In the end IMO: producers get the money, dj's get the fame. Same as with songwriters/singers. |
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| Huebor |
| quote: | Originally posted by **Xenon**
In the end IMO: producers get the money, dj's get the fame. Same as with songwriters/singers. |
I know quite a few producers who'd disagree. They DJ to earn the big money .. |
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| eRRaTiK |
opening another can of worms here and offtopic perhaps, but thanks to the internet many songwriters don't earn much at all.
singers, on the other hand, make money from performances and promotions/marketing/product endorsements.
refer the debate of the century. |
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| Huebor |
Agreed.
The way royalty systems work with APRA/ARIA etc, I'd be very suprised if any producer really gets their fair share unless their name is Delta Goodrem. |
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| misstrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Huebor
I know quite a few producers who'd disagree. They DJ to earn the big money .. |
totally agree with this... there are plenty of producers out there that have made decent tunes but r still struggliing to make ends meet. a lot of them r just poor uni students like many of u :p
producing helps a lot to get ur name out there.. but its when u actually start djing afterwards that u start making big $$ :) |
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| **Xenon** |
Perhaps I should have been more specific. At the higher end of the market what I said I believe is true. At the lower end, i.e. small-time producers, these guys will look to dj'ing to get the money.
It's an unsubstantiated claim but my guess is that the primary source of income for the larger dj's is definitely not from touring/dj'ing but rather receipts from their production efforts. This can be analogised somewhat to the pop market. |
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| Philby |
| quote: | Originally posted by BinaryRefined
i think the title of this thread is obvious, who would ever assume that a good DJ is a good producer and vice versa.
its similar to comparing a song writer to a performer. |
well i guess everyone who goes out because on the flyer it says hybrid or thrillseekers or chicane etc are djing. they see the name as a producer and they go along. |
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| Light The Fuse |
| +1 James Zabiela |
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| Nyquist_Theorem |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
opening another can of worms here and offtopic perhaps, but thanks to the internet many songwriters don't earn much at all.
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artists were getting robbed by the RIAA/MPAA and many other negative forces within the music industry long before the internet came along - look at massive-yet-bankrupt acts like OMD or Ned's Atomic Dustbin from the pre-internet era for examples.
Ability as a DJ does not neccesarily potentiate ability as a producer, and vice versa. That said, the best producers should all DJ IMO (even occasionally) - you need to DJ to know what works on a dancefloor, within a set, within a mix, etc. (Sasha said this years ago) |
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| muli |
| quote: | Originally posted by **Xenon**
It's an unsubstantiated claim but my guess is that the primary source of income for the larger dj's is definitely not from touring/dj'ing but rather receipts from their production efforts. This can be analogised somewhat to the pop market. |
Tiesto, Armin etc... make most of their money from their djing fees, the charge like $20k+ to tour AU.
Do that every week, and you have yourself a lot of money.
then they run their own massive labels, which brings in a lot of money.
then would come their singles. |
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| S_madis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Light The Fuse
+1 James Zabiela |
-1 Markus Schulz |
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